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« Reply #30 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 08:47:59 » |
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Looks dodgy as fuck like it has from the outset. Doesn't add up I'm afraid. The stuff about youth investment yet wage cutbacks rings alarms bells. How can we have an u21 development squad yet stay inline with clubs in our division with cuts? Clubs in our division don't have u21 squads and operate like us already.
This lot have no idea what they aren't doing imo. All that's time to come back with that? Jeez
Actually, DiscoDazzer (Darren S, not agent Darren) made a point about lower league clubs starting to offer youth players pro contracts for development squads much earlier to protect themselves against EPPP. I'm quite sure I don't understand EPPP properly, but I guess cost/benefit calculations of this approach have been made.
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« Reply #31 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 08:54:05 » |
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Not if the U-21 is also the first team squad
playing first team and development football? Actually, DiscoDazzer (Darren S, not agent Darren) made a point about lower league clubs starting to offer youth players pro contracts for development squads much earlier to protect themselves against EPPP. I'm quite sure I don't understand EPPP properly, but I guess cost/benefit calculations of this approach have been made.
costs money though. No good with cutbacks as mentioned. Doesn't add up.
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« Reply #32 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 08:55:26 » |
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Is PDC's salary included in the £4m ??
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« Reply #33 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 08:56:23 » |
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In that £4m/£4.5m budget last year we need to remember this included wages paid to Perrett, Bostock, Martin, Coke and Bessone..All wastes of money to some degree.
Big wage signings in Collins, Ward, Williams, Roberts, Miller, Navarro, , TAH and McEveley…The first two I would say have been value for money, Williams and Roberts to a lesser extent but the rest have not justified their big wages this season and wouldn’t care if we got rid of most of those.
We paid around £350k in fees at tribunal for TAH & Collins.
Paid off Risser’s contract
Had players out on loan or in the bomb squad whilst paying their wages or some of their wages.. Benson, Caddis, Rooney & Cox.
We have also lost Ritchie from the wage bill without replacing him with a similar earner, so saved money already.
Having wasted most of that £4m budget a £2m/£2.5 budget spent wisely and prudently might not be a disaster.
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« Reply #34 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 08:58:07 » |
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Is PDC's salary included in the £4m ??
Dunno. Morshead is chasing this up. If the 4m does include agents fees and other salaries then that would make a big difference.
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« Reply #35 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 08:58:25 » |
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I know he doesn't want to be too open about intricate business dealings, but the brevity of those answers is a little unnerving. Why not be open and honest?
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« Reply #36 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 09:02:36 » |
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Those answers took THAT long to draw up?
Ho-hum.
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« Reply #37 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 09:03:52 » |
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Well if PDC was included and if he was on the rumoured £800k then thats a massive chunk, less Ritchie less all the shit loanees then you are going to be well under £3m.
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« Reply #38 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 09:04:24 » |
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Im not sure how much difference the drop in budget will make IF it includes PDC salary and agent dealings as this would make up a significant chunk plus all the duff signings that were made and consequently paid off.
I guess once we find out the retained list later on we may see how severe these cuts are.
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« Reply #39 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 09:10:28 » |
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Well at least we now have it in the open, what some have been saying all along, despite the efforts of the wishful thinkers this isn't good. The main problem is that Jed is working on funding the wages from crowds remaining at the level of the last 2 seasons...they won't.
The fellow at O*ford tries to run a similar sustainable operation, their wage bill would be comparable to our new level, but because, they've been shit, a 1000 have voted with their feet so they've lost a mill on the season. STFC fans are just as fickle.
KMac, now becomes pivotal in this, we were told he had a 2.5 year contract...which seemed to fit in with the need for a manager happy to work with kids, we now have in te open that we'll have a side with a number of kids, so his role becomes crucial. Yet we've also been told he in fact doesn't have the 2.5 years, but just til end of season.
He needs to stay...many of the MacDonald outers, are the same lot who wanted PdC out, because of his rambling post match interviews.
Next season then, becomes a try and get 50 points, to maintain Div 3 status season, anything else very much a bonus.
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« Reply #40 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 09:15:40 » |
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Next season then, becomes a try and get 50 points, to maintain Div 3 status season, anything else very much a bonus.
Yay. Didn't see that coming. 
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« Reply #41 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 09:19:59 » |
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Yay. Didn't see that coming.  It's important that the fanbase have a realistic perception of where we are.
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« Reply #42 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 09:24:10 » |
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It's important that the fanbase have a realistic perception of where we are.
You and your realism. Even with the cuts we'll still have a playing budget in the top 10 or so, yet 'realistic Reg' thinks that is enough to send us down.
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« Reply #43 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 09:25:36 » |
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You can see Jed replying to those answers with a pint in hand...RAAAAAAAAAWWWWWRRRRRRR!!!
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« Reply #44 on: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 09:27:33 » |
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Was certainly hoping for a bit more meat of the bones in terms of the answers, looks like those responses could have been written in 15 mins.
No major surprises in the answers really. As mentioned if agents fees, staff salaries aren’t included in £2m then its puts us middle of the pack in terms of budget, could be a lot worse. With a bit of luck we could find ourselves top 10/pushing for P/O’s. With a greater emphasis of youth the appointment of Kmac looks more and more sensible.
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