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« on: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 17:02:39 » |
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I saw this article and thought it was very telling - a fan whom I can identify with. I know that there's a chap on this forum who said he wouldn't bother going if we got to the PL (for the record I think I know where he's coming from), and after reading this article I can't think that it's worth 'selling out' to get PL status. There are a few clubs in the PL that I don't mind - Norwich and Swansea are two that spring to mind, but I wouldn't want Swindon to become a franchise like the majority of the rest.... Anyhow, if you can be arsed I think that this is a good read, http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/apr/17/cardiff-city-promoted-died-last-summer |
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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 17:16:47 » |
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An article in the guardian, hardly surprising it's geared up in this way, is it? Cardiff will attract more supporters than it loses. It's still in the community, not like it's been moved milrs away. My link with Towns runs deeper than the colour of their shirts, or who owns it.
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 17:25:42 » |
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An article in the guardian, hardly surprising it's geared up in this way, is it? Cardiff will attract more supporters than it loses. It's still in the community, not like it's been moved milrs away. My link with Towns runs deeper than the colour of their shirts, or who owns it.
They'll attract more "followers" but lose "supporters"....there will be a price to pay if - or more likely when - they end up falling down the leagues. Disrespect club traditions at your peril... |
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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 17:40:59 » |
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They'll attract more "followers" but lose "supporters"....there will be a price to pay if - or more likely when - they end up falling down the leagues. Disrespect club traditions at your peril...
People become supporters over time, if they have no historic links to the club. If I was offered success on the pitch, but we changed our kit to blue and our nickname to the bluebird, I'd rip their arm off. I'd still have the history and the memories. I'd also be watching winning football in the present. Football should be about striving for success and improvement. Sometimes that means compromising. |
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 17:44:40 » |
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People become supporters over time, if they have no historic links to the club. If I was offered success on the pitch, but we changed our kit to blue and our nickname to the bluebird, I'd rip their arm off. I'd still have the history and the memories. I'd also be watching winning football in the present.
Football should be about striving for success and improvement. Sometimes that means compromising.
Ok, but what if it meant changing to yellow and adopting a bull as a badge if it meant success on the whim of one rich man...? |
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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 17:58:34 » |
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Ok, but what if it meant changing to yellow and adopting a bull as a badge if it meant success on the whim of one rich man...?
Is he so rich that the prize for the half time draw was a night with all of the Saturdays? |
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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 18:01:05 » |
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They'll attract more "followers" but lose "supporters"....there will be a price to pay if - or more likely when - they end up falling down the leagues. Disrespect club traditions at your peril...
I can think of 120 million reasons why the Cardiff owners won't give a flying fuck about that. |
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 18:05:15 » |
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They are £83m in debt right now.
Even with the £60m they'll get from the PL, less whatever they blow on players and their wages, Cardiff appear fundamentally fucked (financially).
It's only 3 years since they were in court fighting a winding-up order.
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 18:10:11 » |
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I don't really get the point of this article, one person's opinions.
He probably didn't approve of the move from Ninian Park either.
Football clubs are essentially part of the entertainment business, the players don't represent Towns, they are paid to play for a club.
I hope the other Cardiff fans who walked away were the ones who used to damage as many cars as possible on the way to the County Ground from the station
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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 18:28:56 » |
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I don't really get the point of this article, one person's opinions.
and every supporter should have an opinion on 'their' club. I think the point is that he thinks that the soul of his club has been forsaken for the prize of the PL, and that for him, it's not worth the price.... Personally, I wouldn't want Swindon Town FC to be renamed 'The Swindon Crazybulls', change our insignia to a Bull and have an identikit plastic stadium and a corporate match day experience just to get PL football. With regard to the Cardiff fans - I remember them smashing up cars prior and after a FA cup game - t'was proppa scary. I'd forgotten about that - absolute cunts Cardiff (still see where this fan is coming from though). |
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 18:35:42 » |
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Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me.
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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 18:37:45 » |
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With regard to the Cardiff fans - I remember them smashing up cars prior and after a FA cup game - t'was proppa scary. I'd forgotten about that - absolute cunts Cardiff (still see where this fan is coming from though).
Let's not forget they'll now be playing Swansea next season, their bitterest rivals, who'll they'll be even more pissed off at because they won promotion last season. Urinals have been pulled off walls, cars smashed, riots broken out over the years. I was glad I'm no longer in Swansea when they announced the change to red for Cardiff. Wearing my town scarf about would have been interesting, I got enough stick on the day they beat Arsenal... |
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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 18:39:22 » |
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People become supporters over time, if they have no historic links to the club. If I was offered success on the pitch, but we changed our kit to blue and our nickname to the bluebird, I'd rip their arm off. I'd still have the history and the memories. I'd also be watching winning football in the present.
Interesting point - for me I wouldn't want to lose all that was traditional about the club. I do understand that to progress you have to compromise sometimes, and if STFC did change our colours, name, stadium etc., would I still support them? I can't say until that happens.... Football should be about striving for success and improvement. Sometimes that means compromising.
But the success Cardiff have got has come at a price of £80 mill in debt and a change in the fundamentals of the club. We at Swindon started getting cold feet at £15 mill debt (or whatever the figure was). We were at the mercy of a single rich investor who could pull out at any minute.... That said, I suppose I would be happy if a rich benefactor came along and gave us at Swindon free money...... |
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« Reply #13 on: Thursday, April 18, 2013, 08:14:24 » |
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The interesting part for me was that he essentially sounds gutted that Swansea have done it properly and better- not full fan ownership but a significant percentage. I'd love Town to do something similar- although perhaps Power/Emell/Trust was that chance.
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« Reply #14 on: Thursday, April 18, 2013, 08:35:43 » |
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On reflection, the only tradition that would bring my support into question would be location. If we moved out of Swindon, ala Franchise, then I would call it a day and have no affinity towards the new club. Everything else would be a ballache, but in reality, our stands won't last forever, our kit will change as will our badge and we might even change a bit of the name. None of that would really make me stop, the club would still exist and be "Swindon".
As soon as we move out to say Membury/Leigh Delamere/Chippenham/Newbury etc, that would be it. iT's not my home town, which is essentially the reason I support the club.
What would intrigue me is how out of towners would feel, people who never lived here. To be honest, I don't really get how you guys end up supporting the club - in a good way. What is it about the club that makes it the one you would support?
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