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« Reply #60 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 09:01:07 »

I honestly don't know what the fans want Jed to come out and say?

Genuine question.

1. Lay out what their plans are for next season and beyond.
2. Explain who the backers are (or what they are business wise if he can't give us names) and what they want in return for investing in the club.
3. Give us the promised post-event full explanation of what happened for us to stay so long under embargo, what requirement it was we met a few minutes before the close of the loan window for it to be lifted just in time and what the reasons were for them not being able to meet this requirement earlier.
4. To communicate this through a proofread statement given to the media not mashed into a smartphone in 140 characters on twitter.
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« Reply #61 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 09:01:35 »

Bit off topic but I can see Uwe Rosler being a highly sought after proposition in the Summer. Working wonders at Brentford.
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« Reply #62 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 09:07:13 »

1. Lay out what their plans are for next season and beyond.
2. Explain who the backers are (or what they are business wise if he can't give us names) and what they want in return for investing in the club.
3. Give us the promised post-event full explanation of what happened for us to stay so long under embargo, what requirement it was we met a few minutes before the close of the loan window for it to be lifted just in time and what the reasons were for them not being able to meet this requirement earlier.
4. To communicate this through a proofread statement given to the media not mashed into a smartphone in 140 characters on twitter.

It really is quite simple...
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« Reply #63 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 09:11:34 »

1. Lay out what their plans are for next season and beyond.
2. Explain who the backers are (or what they are business wise if he can't give us names) and what they want in return for investing in the club.
3. Give us the promised post-event full explanation of what happened for us to stay so long under embargo, what requirement it was we met a few minutes before the close of the loan window for it to be lifted just in time and what the reasons were for them not being able to meet this requirement earlier.
4. To communicate this through a proofread statement given to the media not mashed into a smartphone in 140 characters on twitter.

I'm not on about the long term plan which they have to quite clearly state.

I'm referring to the line in Berni's post.

"Form has totally flipped since they took charge and they are not saying a word about it"

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« Reply #64 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 09:14:54 »

I can't remember anyone at the club, other than the manager, coming out and commenting on the players, performance and results unless it was to sack the manager.

It's no difference with these guys.
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« Reply #65 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 09:17:49 »

I'm not on about the long term plan which they have to quite clearly state.

I'm referring to the line in Berni's post.

"Form has totally flipped since they took charge and they are not saying a word about it"



Which is exactly what I was wondering. Just what are the board supposed to say about the loss of form?
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« Reply #66 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 09:31:57 »

Which is exactly what I was wondering. Just what are the board supposed to say about the loss of form?

There's nothing wrong with the Board not making too many comments about form, that's not their role.

However, it is their role to lay out a vision of where they intend taking the club. We've had a bit...namely concerts, bringing the women's football more in line with the club, and as far as I can see that's it.
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« Reply #67 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 09:36:45 »

They've had a fair bit on their plate between finding a new manager, embargoes, fighting potential legal action and the conclusion to the season.

One would imagine the summer will be an opportunity for them to lay out their vision for the next few years in greater detail.
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« Reply #68 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 09:37:42 »

There's nothing wrong with the Board not making too many comments about form, that's not their role.

However, it is their role to lay out a vision of where they intend taking the club. We've had a bit...namely concerts, bringing the women's football more in line with the club, and as far as I can see that's it.

Well yeah.

But that's going off on a tangent a tad. It's not what verve and I were getting at.
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« Reply #69 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 10:12:19 »

I'm not on about the long term plan which they have to quite clearly state.

I'm referring to the line in Berni's post.

"Form has totally flipped since they took charge and they are not saying a word about it"

That's only a throwaway line from a poster on here though. I don't think that's representative of what the majority of fans want/ expect communication from them on.

Our frustrations at where we're heading on the pitch (which I don't doubt from some quarters of our fan base will spill over into foul-mouthed and ill-thought-out rants against Jed on twitter) is doubly exacerbated by the lack of communication regarding the ongoing concerns off it.

If they went some way to resolving this I doubt Jed would receive half the abuse he is getting.

The problem is there's no sense of direction or togetherness anymore. This is as much a result of lack of information about what direction we're heading in off the pitch as it is from poor performances and bad results on it.

While no reasonable fan would hold them responsible for the latter, they ARE responsible for the former but still seemingly unwilling to do anything about it.


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« Reply #70 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 10:21:11 »

Which is exactly what I was wondering. Just what are the board supposed to say about the loss of form?

If you read my post I said board and management.  I want to hear about what Bruce said with regards to the board, I want to hear what the manager is doing to try to turn our slump around.  I also want to hear that the board and management are talking to each other and that both parties are doing whatever they can to move us forward.

When Paolo was in charge I used to look forward to reading what was being said in the Adver and what had transpired in the previous 24 hours.  Now that the new team is in charge I either see lack of any story, or rolling out the usual lines "I expect a reaction from the players".  What did we all think of that reaction guys?

I don't want to hear "that's football" in a post match interview, I want to know that he realises that a formation doesn't work, or a player is better in a certain position, or that they are working on defending set pieces, whatever.  I just want to know that things are being looked at, new things are being tried, a plan is in place to try to turn this around.  At the moment I am hearing next to nothing.

It's alright saying "of course it is, he's the manger, that's his job" but it's also his job (and the boards) to include the fans, not in everything but just enough to let us know that they are thinking about all these things and doing things to try and improve.

I wouldn't criticise Kmac for trying different formations, players, tactics or anything if it will improve us.  What I would criticise him for is for trying something, it not working and then carrying on with it again and again regardless.

If this is the level of communication that we can expect from board and management next season then it is going to be even more painfull than I anticipated.
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« Reply #71 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 10:40:35 »

Bit off topic but I can see Uwe Rosler being a highly sought after proposition in the Summer. Working wonders at Brentford.
If only we'd have plumped for him instead of Di Canio, STFC could have had preseason in my neck of the woods.
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« Reply #72 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 10:47:53 »

That's only a throwaway line from a poster on here though. I don't think that's representative of what the majority of fans want/ expect communication from them on.

Our frustrations at where we're heading on the pitch (which I don't doubt from some quarters of our fan base will spill over into foul-mouthed and ill-thought-out rants against Jed on twitter) is doubly exacerbated by the lack of communication regarding the ongoing concerns off it.If they went some way to resolving this I doubt Jed would receive half the abuse he is getting.

The problem is there's no sense of direction or togetherness anymore. This is as much a result of lack of information about what direction we're heading in off the pitch as it is from poor performances and bad results on it.

While no reasonable fan would hold them responsible for the latter, they ARE responsible for the former but still seemingly unwilling to do anything about it.




Again, I think every fan agrees that they need to come out and clear all those things up.

It'll happen at the end of the season when we know which division we're in I expect.
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« Reply #73 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 10:59:58 »

 Hmmm

We are now experiencing a totally different management style and consequently find it very difficult to adjust to. I am sure the new owners (however inexperienced) must have realised this would  be the inevitable outcome upon selecting Kmac.

PDC wore his heart on his sleeve and we are still looking for Kmac’s.

I am concerned about a number of things that could be lacking

Player fitness and comittment
Firing up players for training and matches (before and during)
All round training regime (balance of fitness/skills/set pieces etc.)
Effective treatment of injuries 
Adequate pre-match study of opponents

I will not get drawn into tactics, formations and square pegs in round holes – this is normal football manager stuff and if Kmac can’t handle these things he shouldn’t be a soccer manager. Remember he was only assistant at Villa.

I personally wish him well but I don’t get any good vibes from his communications and I just wonder
therefore what the players get from him.

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« Reply #74 on: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 11:19:28 »

Does anyone how long a contract KMAC is on? Did it ever actually say when he was appointed?
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