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« Reply #30 on: Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 15:39:48 »

Didn't hear anything about duty on tobacco or your car tax disc, are they being slipped under the radar?
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« Reply #31 on: Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 15:44:12 »

Didn't hear anything about duty on tobacco or your car tax disc, are they being slipped under the radar?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296253/BUDGET-2013-Osborne-axes-6p-tax-pint-beer-wine-drinkers-forced-10p-bottle.html
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« Reply #32 on: Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 16:01:36 »

Re. house prices, i'm pretty much certain that i will never own a home now, so once i get a job again i'll be concentrating on other ways to invest/save money so I can maybe one day afford to be retired and old.
House prices are massively over valued, but they have to continue to be over valued or the economy will be absolutely fucked as opposed to,the completely fucked it is now. Slightly different in London though as there is an international market for London properties.


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« Reply #33 on: Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 17:24:18 »

Why are house prices massively over valued ?

Against what ?
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« Reply #34 on: Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 17:32:52 »

Why are house prices massively over valued ?

Against what ?

Wages - average house prices are about ten times average wages, it used to be about four times. It's completely unsustainable and home ownership for the masses will not be sustainable in the future if they are not revalued. But that would destroy the economy. Something will have to give at some point.
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« Reply #35 on: Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 17:44:31 »

Wages - average house prices are about ten times average wages, it used to be about four times. It's completely unsustainable and home ownership for the masses will not be sustainable in the future if they are not revalued. But that would destroy the economy. Something will have to give at some point.

The price/average earnings ratio has already moved back quite a long way since the peak in around 2007/08, so we're already some way down that road.  The point of my original comment was that it would be madness for prices to return to that situation; and not that they are still there.  The bubble has been slowly deflating for some time with respect to earnings.

It's a very complex situation affected by average earnings, employment levels, interest rates and mortgage availability (amongst other things).  Prices are also affected by population change and a shocking housing shortage (being exacerbated by the inadequate number of houses being built each year), both of which - in my humble view - mean that the accepted historic average of 4x earnings doesn't mean a lot any more.
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« Reply #36 on: Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 19:47:03 »

Ed Miliband is a massive cock.

Surely you mean tool?
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« Reply #37 on: Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 21:45:06 »

I'm still a bit unsure about this Help to Buy scheme. On one hand it'll help many people to buy a house, which is good for them and also good for the economy. There is a lot of pent up demand as this should go some way to getting the market moving again. I think we've seen pretty much all there is to see by way of a correction in property values. Prices are down circa 20% in real terms when you factor in inflation. I agree with Ardiles on the price to average earnings link, that disappeared in the 90s.

However, encouraging people to borrow up to 95% by providing additional leverage to do that doesn't sit quite right. Although I would like to think that having had their fingers badly burnt, lenders have learnt their lesson and will be a lot stricter with who they'll lend to. As long as mortgages don't become as freely available as they were in the run up 2008, which I am positive they won't, then there will be no danger of creating another bubble.
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« Reply #38 on: Thursday, March 21, 2013, 13:07:29 »

Rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer.
Very much this. With the Liberals bleating on about "it would of been so much worse if they hadn't been there to put the brakes on"
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