BBC News: Paolo Di Canio's former coaching staff waiting on Swindon wages

[Paolo69]

then they should be paid up to whatever their notice was.

Which might be to the end of their contracts.

Oh dear Ben. What Herthab said I think is how it works. If you resign you're entitled to diddly swat. Why should they be paid their notice period? They didn't work it.

[flammableBen]

Oh dear Ben. What Herthab said I think is how it works. If you resign you're entitled to diddly swat. Why should they be paid their notice period? They .didn't work it.

If where I was working had a change in management, and there'd been a complete change in the workings of the business which made me clearly unnecessary, then I wouldn't turn up either, but would still expect my pay off. Even through whatever I was allowed from my own resignation

[Paolo69]

If where I was working had a change in management, and there'd been a complete change in the workings of the business which made me clearly unnecessary, then I wouldn't turn up either, but would still expect my pay off. Even through whatever I was allowed from my own resignation

Fair enough. You could expect what you like. Whether you'd get it is another matter. In this instance, one bloke left and the players still needed coaching (I.e. their jobs) which meant they weren't "unnecessary" so don't think your example really stacks up.

[flammableBen]

I presume that that they had contracts for a certain period of time, and part of the acceptance of that contract was working under certain conditions. If those conditions completely change then it can be fair to resign and claim the remember of their contracts.

I'm not saying they are right, just that resigning doesn't mean they lose the rest of their wages. If I'm honest, I'm not the biggest fan of the former management regime.

[Paolo69]

I presume that that they had contracts for a certain period of time, and part of the acceptance of that contract was working under certain conditions. If those conditions completely change then it can be fair to resign and claim the remember of their contracts.

I'm not saying they are right, just that resigning doesn't mean they lose the rest of their wages. If I'm honest, I'm not the biggest fan of the former management regime.

I know you're not Ben. I don't think one bloke leaving means the conditions have completely changed but we'll beg to differ. Not really sure what we're disagreeing about anyway. They're only seeking wages to the date of resignation so obviously don't feel the same as you. They're entitled as most of us would agree. Why go to the bbc is anyone's guess though.

[ghanimah]

I presume that that they had contracts for a certain period of time, and part of the acceptance of that contract was working under certain conditions. If those conditions completely change then it can be fair to resign and claim the remember of their contracts.

I'm not saying they are right, just that resigning doesn't mean they lose the rest of their wages. If I'm honest, I'm not the biggest fan of the former management regime.

Obviously it depends on the ts & cs of the contract but it would not be unreasonable to assume that given the fickle nature of football management the likelihood of a managerial position changing at short notice would be taken into account when they signed.

[flammableBen]

Obviously it depends on the ts & cs of the contract but it would not be unreasonable to assume that given the fickle nature of football management the likelihood of a managerial position changing at short notice would be taken into account when they signed.

It's unlikely that we'll ever see the contract, and I guess this has been made more complicated by PDC's departure. I am slightly guessing here though, but I'm sure it's pretty standard that when a club get's rid of a management team then the coaches get paid off the same as anyone else loosing their jobs.

It does seem a sad symptom of co-ordination of the take-over.

[Paolo69]

All very true, although we didn't get rid of the management team. They resigned! Makes all the difference surely.

[flammableBen]

All very true, although we didn't get rid of the management team. They resigned! Makes all the difference surely.

I think we might be going in circles. Even if they all resigned at the same time as PDC, it doesn't mean that they aren't entitled to any or all of their contracts.

[RobertT]

If where I was working had a change in management, and there'd been a complete change in the workings of the business which made me clearly unnecessary, then I wouldn't turn up either, but would still expect my pay off. Even through whatever I was allowed from my own resignation

Oh dear Ben, you have much annoyance to look forward to in life.

You may well expect that nice pay off, but unless they try to do some pretty extreme things, like give you a good rodgering instead of a 1-2-1, then I'm afraid when you resign all you get is a lovely P45 and a fuck off.  It's a bit like waking up in an alleyway with no clothes on after going on the piss a little too long.

[Simon Pieman]

I think what Ben is getting at is that if one party breaches the contract, the other party is entitled to compensation.

I'm not sure there would have been a contract breach, even a change of management clause wouldn't apply as the new directors didn't officially take over until the day after the coaching staff resigned.

[flammableBen]

Oh dear Ben, you have much annoyance to look forward to in life.

You may well expect that nice pay off, but unless they try to do some pretty extreme things, like give you a good rodgering instead of a 1-2-1, then I'm afraid when you resign all you get is a lovely P45 and a fuck off.  It's a bit like waking up in an alleyway with no clothes on after going on the piss a little too long.

Don't be a patronising dick rob. You're better than that. I admit it wasn't the best worded example but it was clearly meant in a similar situation to football management.

[suttonred]

If they had given 30 days notice or whatever their contract stated, then they would have a case. As they upped sticks and pissed off with no notice. I would expect the reverse would apply, and they may have to wait. Well it does in the real world anyway.

[flammableBen]

I think what Ben is getting at is that if one party breaches the contract, the other party is entitled to compensation.

I'm not sure there would have been a contract breach, even a change of management clause wouldn't apply as the new directors didn't officially take over until the day after the coaching staff resigned.

But that's looking at the contracts and the basics as the contract as the be all and end all, there's some employment law around the edges. 

You can send a letter to your employer saying you wish to resign and want payment for x amount for the rest of your contract. I've done it before for months and holiday pay. They don't have to say yes, that's where it gers legal.

[RobertT]

Don't be a patronising dick rob. You're better than that. I admit it wasn't the best worded example but it was clearly meant in a similar situation to football management.

Patronising is my thing.  If you walk, you take the shit that comes with it.  It takes some serious breaches to allow you to just walk out and expect anything, and that usually means a visit to an emplyoyment tribunal, not an interview with a news outlet.  Having your boss leave is not usually one of those serious breaches.

They may be owed to the day they left if we pay in arrears, but not a penny more - and it doesn't even seem like they are claiming anymore than that.