Adver News: Out-of-options Di Canio fears relegation

[Iffy's Onion Bhaji]

I can see both sides of the argument with this. PDC's rants are frustrating and at times a bit silly but i've seen some people claiming he's losing the plot etc. He's hardly losing the plot. In fact you could argue he makes a valid point when he says we need a goalscorer. We do. Yes he signed these strikers but they had good track records when he signed them and they aren't producing at the moment (i'll exclude Williams from that and Collins as well in recent games). He wants a poacher who will get goals ala Austin style.

To claim we could be looking at relegation is simply crazy but we all know the man is a bit nuts and OTT at times. I do think he needs to just get on with it and stop harping on about not having players but equally I think he has got a lot more stick than he has warranted in the past week or so.

[Red Frog]

Perhaps he could/should watch matches. I don't know if it is standard to do so or not. (I'd prefer he left that to Bodin and focus on senior games though).

The thing is though that nobody seems to be able to suggest a single youth player that is being neglected, or has been during the manager's time here. (It's not a PDC thing for me, I'm wondering why people are sucking up the the yoof system that doesn't seem to be all that). If there are youth players that seems to have been ignored there may be a point, but I cannot think of a single one.

Actually, I don't think that is the point people are making. On the contrary, most seem more worried that we're having to put youth players on the bench given what we've spent this summer. It was di Canio's casual dismissal of the kids he selected that diverted the discussion onto his apparent lack of interest in the youth team.

Bodin has had a pretty good record of bringing kids through in the past, and making some tidy money for the club in the process. The non-relationship between his youth setup and the first team manager feels unhealthy, and I think that problem lies with the manager's short-termist attitude, and mistrust of the footballing staff who preceded him at the club. It's also at odds with the board's stated policy of investing in developing youth. 

I suspect Bodin would have gone by now if he didn't have the board's support, because he clearly doesn't have the manager's.

That's probably enough from me on this.

[Flashheart]

Fuck me BR, is it a slow day/night at the office. Might have to dust off the wooden spoon engraved with "Shit stirrer of the year".

You seem to be reading this thread in a completely different light to the rest of us. People are fed up of PdC's tantrums. People are fed up with him labelling first team players and youths as not good enough. No one is saying that he should as a matter of course use more youth players, just that when he has to he should be a bit more supportive. PdC laments not having a youth system like Crewe's, but I think he would still be wanting to always buy another senior pro even if he had it.

I appreciate that he got us promoted. I appreciate that we are in a good position on the league again this season. I wish he would shut his gob. I wish he would get on with managing what we have and accept that we already have more than we can afford.

I didn't start a discussion about the youth team, somebody else did.

This is a discussion forum, discussion being the operative word. Or should discussions only go along the lines of: "Yes, I agree with you"?. Whatever, if people want to spout complete and utter nonsense without being able to back it up in any way then that's their prerogative. Personally I like to have reasons for holding a particular opinion.

[herthab]

7th in league 1, after winning promotion as champions last season is very good imo.

Best thing to do is stop reading or listening to PdC's increasingly ludicrous statements.

(Life as an ostrich is cool).

[Matchworn Shirts]

Best thing to do is stop reading or listening to PdC's increasingly ludicrous statements.

Indeed

[Arriba]

I didn't start a discussion about the youth team, somebody else did.

This is a discussion forum, discussion being the operative word. Or should discussions only go along the lines of: "Yes, I agree with you"?. Whatever, if people want to spout complete and utter nonsense without being able to back it up in any way then that's their prerogative. Personally I like to have reasons for holding a particular opinion.

You've got your view and aint budging which is fair enough,but you are making more of what is said in counter to your points,and seemingly ignoring other points too.

You appear to defend Di canio on every subject ever raised and ignore anything which counters it. i may be wrong but that is how it looks to me.

[fittons_coaching_badge]

You've got your view and aint budging which is fair enough,but you are making more of what is said in counter to your points,and seemingly ignoring other points too.

You appear to defend Di canio on every subject ever raised and ignore anything which counters it. i may be wrong but that is how it looks to me.

This ^^

[Flashheart]

You appear to defend Di canio on every subject ever raised and ignore anything which counters it. i may be wrong but that is how it looks to me.

 

You might want to refer to the first page Arriba where I said PDC is being a tit.

[pauld]

I didn't start a discussion about the youth team, somebody else did.

Sorry I think that might have been me. It was meant to be more of a throwaway aside, not a runaway train!

Getting back on track with the M'Bargo/general "Give me more players" approach, I wonder if part of the problem here might be that Di Canio's thinking of this in terms of the continental manager approach where the manager's role is more of a first team coach and it's the board's/DOF's job to produce the players he requires/worry about the financial side. Hence his apparent lack of understanding that the board can't simply just throw more money at the problem?

[sonicyouth]

7th in league 1, after winning promotion as champions last season is very good imo.

Best thing to do is stop reading or listening to PdC's increasingly ludicrous statements.

(Life as an ostrich is cool).

exactly this.

Radio goes off at full time

[Red Frog]

Sorry I think that might have been me. It was meant to be more of a throwaway aside, not a runaway train!

Getting back on track with the M'Bargo/general "Give me more players" approach, I wonder if part of the problem here might be that Di Canio's thinking of this in terms of the continental manager approach where the manager's role is more of a first team coach and it's the board's/DOF's job to produce the players he requires/worry about the financial side. Hence his apparent lack of understanding that the board can't simply just throw more money at the problem?

Hmm, that's quite insightful. Anyway, turns out I was wrong. Hadn't previously seen this comment from the Sky report:

"The club knows my idea that I would love to have an academy like Crewe. They have five or six 18-year-olds they can bring in that are strong and skilful. When our squad is thin like it is now I could play a few youngsters too and it would help."

Hadn't heard him express his ideas about the youth structure before. Maybe he justs thinks our current setup isn't good enough.

[Peter Venkman]

exactly this.

Radio goes off at full time

Thats how I have been this season, I find it hard work to listen to and comprehend not to mention the wierd stuff that comes out of his mouth, stick to managing the team thank you.

[Flashheart]

Never thought I'd say it but Thank You RF. That the youth system is not good enough is what I am getting at.

[Red Frog]

Never thought I'd say it but Thank You RF. That the youth system is not good enough is what I am getting at.

Can't quite let you leave with that warm fuzzy feeling. 

Part of me says this is just di Canio doing the usual window-shopping, thinking someone else's successes would be nice. Odd that we haven't heard his views on the academy before. 

[Arriba]

If Di Canio was at any similar club to us he wouldn't be impressed with the youth set up there either. As i mentioned earlier the comparison to Crewe is ridiculous. Their whole club ethos has been built on youth development so they benefit now in a number of ways. They have a big area to attract from and because of their previous success talented kids will opt for them over other interested clubs as they see their chances of making it as greater.

Swindon do what all the other clubs of our size do and do it as expected. Now either the club throw alot more into the youth set up for the long term,they keep the current way of doing things,or scrap it altogether.

People need to remember that youth teams play other youth teams so the jump then into pro football is huge. Those being ready at 17-18 are few and far between at any club,not just ones like ours.
Our young players generally do well against similar clubs and it's not like we don't produce players,certainly not less than our competitors.
Di Canio is frustrated that he doesn't have the tools in his opinion at the moment for league1,and the lads from the youth team not being ready is a part of it. I also can't help thinking that if he was manager at Crewe he'd be moaning that they didn't have enough quality bought in to supplement the younger lads. They've created footballers but don't set the leagues alight do they?