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« Reply #1 on: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 08:32:19 » |
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Top bloke JW. I hope he is a million miles from stepping down as his intentions have always been honourable whether or not he has the mood of the supporters.
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« Reply #2 on: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 08:34:24 » |
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Just what is the upside of signing this goalie - it's already split the fans and now the chairman is talking about quitting.
FFS let him sort out his future somewhere else
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« Reply #3 on: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 09:06:43 » |
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If training with a squad is part of his rehabilitation, why does it have to be a professional side. The only reason wray initially allowed him here was due to the possibility of having a good second goalie cheap IMHO (good business simple), but now with the cop out of we are not offering a contract. why did his agent approach Swindon town, simple again it was most likely the best option available, a good club likely to pay decent wages and allow his client to be in the shop window again, best financial option for his client.
With regards to wray I don't want him to leave as he was one of two that fronted the consortium, with fitton being one. Now if wray leaves would the money men behind him also stop the their Involvement? A scenario I don't really want just yet.
I will reserve judgement about mr wray as I remember kassam being hailed as a hero at Oxford and look how he screwed them. Wray is a business man, he and his consortium will be Looking to take more out than they put in.
I will hail mr wray in another give years when we are in a better financial Position and one that is self sustaining.
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« Reply #4 on: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 09:19:26 » |
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What Jezza needs to bear in mind is that, as the two posts above outline, for many fans this is not an issue about rehabilitation.
Kerry red has ignored or missed that he ISN'T SIGNING and LittleRed has chosen to ignore the explanation of this because it doesn't fit well with the opportunity for moral outrage.
In my opinion, he should not even consider resigning because of views expressing anger about a non-existent or hypothetical situation. Wait until it does become a debate about the issue that is really at hand and consider it from there.
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 09:28:13 » |
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I was dead against it when I first heard the news, but JW has won me over with his explanations over the past few days and I have even more respect for him now.
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 09:38:33 » |
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What Jezza needs to bear in mind is that, as the two posts above outline, for many fans this is not an issue about rehabilitation.
Kerry red has ignored or missed that he ISN'T SIGNING and LittleRed has chosen to ignore the explanation of this because it doesn't fit well with the opportunity for moral outrage.
In my opinion, he should not even consider resigning because of views expressing anger about a non-existent or hypothetical situation. Wait until it does become a debate about the issue that is really at hand and consider it from there.
Couldn't have put it better. The trouble is, the Club should have been a lot more up front about what was going on. As a result, somehow or other, it has leaked out into the media that he is 'on trial and the club are looking to sign him' and as a result, that's what people have got in their heads and do not want to hear anything else. JW just has to sit tight for a little while until it all calms down a bit - which it will.
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« Reply #7 on: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 09:48:42 » |
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Just what is the upside of signing this goalie - it's already split the fans and now the chairman is talking about quitting.
FFS let him sort out his future somewhere else
I really don't understand what people don't get about this: 1. Club showing players and agents that it is open to help players advance their careers. Showing the club in a good light within footballing spheres thus attracting others who might be looking for a 'frsh start' 2. Club shown in good light with the FA and PFA. 3. Care in the community possibly? 4. Possibility of signing a good player that may command a fee idc
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 09:59:31 » |
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Just what is the upside of signing this goalie - it's already split the fans and now the chairman is talking about quitting.
FFS let him sort out his future somewhere else
It's too easy to say that. What if no football club would take him on? What if no employer at all would take him on? What would he then do with his life except cost the taxpayer and society even more instead of giving back? Then you would complain about the dosser who doesn't work and sponges off the state no doubt.
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« Reply #9 on: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 10:05:37 » |
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I really don't understand what people don't get about this:
1. Club showing players and agents that it is open to help players advance their careers. Showing the club in a good light within footballing spheres thus attracting others who might be looking for a 'frsh start' 2. Club shown in good light with the FA and PFA. 3. Care in the community possibly? 4. Possibility of signing a good player that may command a fee idc
Apart from #4, because we never intended signing him  But just like every argument there is always an opposite opinion. 1) The negative publicity in the media, I guess thats why JW has felt it necessary to be on the Radio most of the week trying to explain why the club are doing what they are doing 2) Dividing the fans, even ignoring the idiots that claim to want to shred their ST's now, many people on here that are sane & reasonable have polar opinions on whether we should be involved. 3) The possible impact on sponsors, really relates to #1, if you had money to spend on sponsorship would you choose an organization that is going through this kind of negative publicity at the moment. At the very least you would want to wait for it to die down a bit. And whilst the good may outweigh the bad (especially in the long term), I'm still not convinced that it was something that we needed to get involved with And FWIW, even IF we were going to him it wouldn't stop me supporting the Team & the board. If the cunts that played two seasons ago didn't stop me supporting them, signing one person that made a stupid mistake certainly won't.
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 10:10:57 » |
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But what's different is that whereas any other old lag that comes out and a sympathetic business decides to give him a chance, rehabilitation if you like, it only affects a small number of people, with a chance that nobody will be affected or even know.
But a football club is an integral part of the community with thousands of people closely attached to it. It is, also, a highly visible business.
Whilst I understand why this fella wants to try and get back into football, maybe he will be forced to give it up and then that will be his real penance
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 10:40:14 » |
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I have so much respect for Wray. He will stick to his principles, and they're not bad ones.
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« Reply #12 on: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:04:52 » |
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And FWIW, even IF we were going to him it wouldn't stop me supporting the Team & the board. If the cunts that played two seasons ago didn't stop me supporting them, signing one person that made a stupid mistake certainly won't.
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« Reply #13 on: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:07:52 » |
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It's too easy to say that. What if no football club would take him on? What if no employer at all would take him on? What would he then do with his life except cost the taxpayer and society even more instead of giving back?
Then you would complain about the dosser who doesn't work and sponges off the state no doubt.
A lot of what ifs there. What if someone did. What if it was outside football. What if the role meant he was even more effective and convincing people not to make the same mistake. Any sane argument presented on McCormick will have an equally valid opposite view.
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« Reply #14 on: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 11:39:32 » |
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Apart from #4, because we never intended signing him  But just like every argument there is always an opposite opinion. 1) The negative publicity in the media, I guess thats why JW has felt it necessary to be on the Radio most of the week trying to explain why the club are doing what they are doing 2) Dividing the fans, even ignoring the idiots that claim to want to shred their ST's now, many people on here that are sane & reasonable have polar opinions on whether we should be involved. 3) The possible impact on sponsors, really relates to #1, if you had money to spend on sponsorship would you choose an organization that is going through this kind of negative publicity at the moment. At the very least you would want to wait for it to die down a bit. And whilst the good may outweigh the bad (especially in the long term), I'm still not convinced that it was something that we needed to get involved with And FWIW, even IF we were going to him it wouldn't stop me supporting the Team & the board. If the cunts that played two seasons ago didn't stop me supporting them, signing one person that made a stupid mistake certainly won't. It wasn't a stupid mistake Posh?.......some people on here clearly dont realise the devstation this STUPID MISTAKE has caused. Two kids dead and a man in a wheelchair for life is more than a stupid mistake and is the reason i wouldn't want him at the club.....there are many more keepers who hav'nt made a STUPID MISTAKE who would love this opportunity. The club may think different to me and that is fair enough.....the hypocrysy is astounding though because Lee Hughes gets slaugtered on here for a similar situation.
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