Luis Suarez

[janaage]

I tell you who is coming out of this very well and that Clarke Carlisle.

I met Clarke a few years back in a pub in London, nice bloke, two weeks later he was in rehab, and looks like he's really turned himself around, and looks set to have a good future ahead of him once he's finished playing.

[fatbasher]

Personally I don't give a flying fuck about either of them. Give it about three years and it'll be Suarez & Evra who? They are here for the money and nothing else. Did Suarez really call Evra names? Boo hoo, pricks the pair of them. In cricket it's called sledging I believe but then they tend to be intelligent comments from educated sportsmen to get and edge on the opposition, though with a few exceptions most footballers are lucky to have two educated brain cells to knock together.

[wokinghamred]

It doesn't matter that they didn't agree with it, the moment they chose not to appeal  they should have shut the fuck up and drawn a line under it. But they, or Suarez, chose not to.

As far as I can see, they have drawn a line under it and they have moved on.

However why does that mean that Suarez has to shake Evra's hand ? He feels aggrieved and not happy. He has moved on, and played yesterday, badly. But why does he have to shake Evra's hand ? In the evidence he obviously feels that Evra lied about what was said. He has accepted the decision, but he does not have to love Evra going forwards.

[DRS]

The appeal process is a joke that is exactly why dicanio won't appeal his probably.Did i really just see someone say suarez should be fined for not shaking hands? Sit back and think for a minute,it is a fucking pointless gesture

[tans]

Some pure bile on twitter this morning from the greatest fans in the country

[Saxondale]

Well it's lucky it's your opinion as it's not definitely not fact. Suarez spent most of the game acting like a spoilt child. The bloke as previously mentioned is a superb footballer but has let himself and his club down over this. During yesterday's match he appeared to be blaming his team mates, the opponents, the officials, pretty much anyone but himself, for his shoddy performance.

Given a further review of the situation following Janaage's corruscating reply, I would like to confirm that I have moved Suarez from probably a cunt to cunt.  I did think initially that he had shown a certainly restraint to ignore the baiting of Manure players.  I also thought it stood to reason that falling over, whinging and moaning was the default setting of any premier league player, but clearly I am wrong.

However I feel I also have to move Evra from probably a cunt to cunt due to ferguson actually admitting that Evra 'shouldnt have done that'.  

Generally the mad old Glasweigan wino has to have a player stood in front of him brandishing a machette whilst waving an opponents freshly severed limb around shouting'I did hurt the man' before saying yes it could have been a foul.  So I think its safe to say Evra is a cunt.

[Saxondale]

Some pure bile on twitter this morning from the greatest fans in the country

What, Newcastle fans?

[Spencer_White]

I have read the report in its entirety - 115 pages actually, not 80.

A key element of the decision is based on reliability of evidence. The FA believed that Evra was a more consistent witness than Suarez. That does not in itself mean that Evra's evidence was any more accurate, just that it appeared more reliable. There is also factual difference of opinion over how many times things were said - so who knows the truth?
The report agreed that Evra started the verbal confrontation by Evra insulting Suarez. Maybe that is one reason that Suarez feels agrieved ?

The experts did not 'prove' anything. There was no dispute over what words were said (only how many times they were said). Suarez agreed what words were said. The input of the experts was intepretation.

The conclusion, by the way, was that Suarez used words likely to be insulting in the country in which they were used, whilst acknowledging that Suarez speaks little English, after much evidence as you described by language experts. Evra in comparison speaks 5 languages fluently. It also concluded that Evra does not believe that Suarez is racist, and the FA conclude that he did not act as he did because he is a racist.

The report also acknowledged that the case was brought by the FA and that the FA commission were both judge and jury. In what other sphere of life is that natural justice? The Sports Minister may have been happy with how it was handled, but I cannot think of any other areas of corporate governance where being prosecutor, judge and jury would be acceptable. Can you?

My only observation is that clearly Suarez and Liverpool do not agree that the outcome has been fair, given the actions of both Suarez and Evra. There are always two sides to every argument

In a UK Magistrates court the 3 Magistrates are judge and jury. The penalty for Suarez was a football ban, not a prison sentance, and that makes the FA's panel appropriate.

A lot of people are dissapointed when they see the Court system in action, because they expect everything to be proven without any shred of doubt. In reality it isnt like that.

The issue was always whether Suarez used a racial slur, not whether he was a racist. It was proven that Suarez called Evra a Negrito, because Suarez admitted it. It was used during an argument, it was clearly not a term of endearment. That is a racial slur. He was guilty.

[Saxondale]

Just seen what you are referring to Tans.  Idiots.  Unfortunately there are an awful lots of idiots who follow football.  If you ever watch a football stream and look at the chat room next to it, it is usually just a stream of bile.  Sadly idiots shout louder than those with reason.  

[DRS]

Suarez was wrong and found guilty.Whilst admitting it he believes evra exaggerated how many times he said it,evra said you can see it 10 times on camera,you couldnt see it once.He served his ban so if he doesn't want to shake hands he shouldnt have to.Still every time i watch it it still looks like evra lowers his hand first.

[Batch]

However why does that mean that Suarez has to shake Evra's hand ?

Because by not doing so it causes this mess. It makes him looks bitter and as though he hasn't moved on.  He should be the bigger man and "lie" by shaking his hand if that is what it takes to preserve LFC image.

[Batch]

Oh, and FWIW I think the whole "respect" handshake is a steaming pile of cock. But whilst it is here it has to be done properly or not at all, particularly in circumstances like this.

[Arriba]

If liverpool and suarez had contested the verdict then i'd respect them more. If somebody is innocent then surely they would fight to clear their name? He was blatantly guilty as the look on his face said it all. He is a horrible little cunt

[ghanimah]

Personally I don't give a flying fuck about either of them. Give it about three years and it'll be Suarez & Evra who? They are here for the money and nothing else. Did Suarez really call Evra names? Boo hoo, pricks the pair of them. In cricket it's called sledging I believe but then they tend to be intelligent comments from educated sportsmen to get and edge on the opposition, though with a few exceptions most footballers are lucky to have two educated brain cells to knock together.

So calling another player a 'black monkey', calling the English fuckwits, or mocking Glenn McGrath's wife dying from cancer amounts to "intelligent comments from educated sportsmen". Interesting...

[fittons_coaching_badge]

All this furore, does cover up the fact Liverpool aint very good, Dalgish has pissed one hell of alot of money on substandard shite, and that if he had any other surname the kop would be up in arms demanding he be removed!

A couple of points about the game ....

Scholes - Need to take this man to the Euros.  Worldie player!  Controls game through the simple theory of keeping the ball.  Would be perfect in international football.

Downing - Jesus Christ ....... If I was selecting an 80 man England squad for the Euros today .... I wouldnt include him.  What a total pile of cack!