Luis Suarez

[wokinghamred]

Are you a Scouser? Evra - despite being the injured party - tried to shake hands with someone who was proven to have racially abused him. Suarez declined. A shake of hands would have allowed the incident to have been put to bed. Instead, Suarez has now dragged it through the gutter again. He plainly feels he has done nothing wrong and Liverpool have supported him. If Liverpool were that aggrieved they should have defended Suarez instead hinting at evidence to the contrary - if there was such evidence then produce it or shut the fuck up.
Its not often I agree with Fergie but I do in this instance.
Dalglish has also acted like a cunt. His interview after the game was toe curlingly embarassing.
Liverpools' owners now need to get involved. If I was a black player I would not want to sign for Liverpool. If i was a Liverpool player I would not want to play alongside Suarez.
AS for Evra's celbrations, i agree he was wrong but given everything I can totally understand it.  

Suarez hasn't been proven guilty of anything.
The FA have set themselves up as prosecutor, judge and jury with no natural justice. Suarez, Dalgleish and Liverpool clearly do not think justice has been done. Neither you nor anyone else knows the complete truth of what happened, and of who lied.

I am not saying Suarez is innocent, just that the FA do themselves no favours in defusing these situations.

Similarly with the handshake. Blatter suggested these things should be sorted out by handshakes, and everyone slags him off as being a complete idiot. Suarez refuses to shake, and now he is the bad guy for not wanting to shake.   Why on earth should Suarez have to shake Evra's hand ?

I am not a big fan of Suarez, but he is being hung out to dry today. If PdC said that another player was a disgrace he would be in front of the FA to explain himself. Will Sir Alex? Like hell, he will.

[joteddyred]

If Dalgliesh had any sense he wouldn't have played Suarez today.  From the second he refused to shake Evra's hand it had all the makings of an unpleasant encounter.  As previously mentioned, Phil Dowd did well to keep the game from boiling over and I'm surprised the match ended with all 22 players on the pitch.

Dalgleish once again showed what a complete moron he is in the interview at the end.  Shit manager still living off glory as a player. Pathetic.

[Saxondale]

Just my opinion.

Suarez - clearly thinks his intention in his comment was ok and feels he has been scapegoated.  Hence his reluctance to shake hands.  Actually behaved well during the game, resisting goading from manure.  But hes probably still a cunt.

Evra - Seems like a snidey little shit.  The sort of little creep in school who would go running to teacher if they thought it would help them.  Probably a cunt.

Ferguson - Mumbling incoherent glasweigan.  Not making much sense as the air up on the moral high ground is a bit thin.  His players have never misbehaved, no, never.  They are all lovely fragrant little flowers fighting against the odds to win.  Definitely a cunt.

Dalgleish - Every bit as mumbling and incoherent as the other one.  Got himself stuck on his own moral high ground whilst everyone else is pointing out that his moral high ground is actually a cess pit lined with the excrement of a thousand footballers engorged on protein drink and their own high opinion of themselves.  Also definitely a cunt.

All in all, a bunch of cunts twatting around whilst the media (dont start me on them.  Im over the cunt allowance for the week) declare it is the most important thing in the world that someone didn't shake somebody elses hand.

[chalkies_shorts]

Suarez hasn't been proven guilty of anything.
The FA have set themselves up as prosecutor, judge and jury with no natural justice. Suarez, Dalgleish and Liverpool clearly do not think justice has been done. Neither you nor anyone else knows the complete truth of what happened, and of who lied.

I am not saying Suarez is innocent, just that the FA do themselves no favours in defusing these situations.

Similarly with the handshake. Blatter suggested these things should be sorted out by handshakes, and everyone slags him off as being a complete idiot. Suarez refuses to shake, and now he is the bad guy for not wanting to shake.   Why on earth should Suarez have to shake Evra's hand ?

I am not a big fan of Suarez, but he is being hung out to dry today. If PdC said that another player was a disgrace he would be in front of the FA to explain himself. Will Sir Alex? Like hell, he will.

So, if it went to court a la Terry then there would be doubt he would be found guilty? Liverpool keep alluding to evidence of innocence but produce fuck all other than blind faith in thier player. They and the player state cleaerly there are cultural differences and it must be said Poyet's defence of Suarez was as mind boggling as that of Dalglish'd defence of Suarez.
I would suggest the best solution is that Suarez goes to a country where hias words are acceptable and that Liverpools' owners should hasten this.

[Spencer_White]

Suarez hasn't been proven guilty of anything.
The FA have set themselves up as prosecutor, judge and jury with no natural justice. Suarez, Dalgleish and Liverpool clearly do not think justice has been done. Neither you nor anyone else knows the complete truth of what happened, and of who lied.

I am not saying Suarez is innocent, just that the FA do themselves no favours in defusing these situations.

Similarly with the handshake. Blatter suggested these things should be sorted out by handshakes, and everyone slags him off as being a complete idiot. Suarez refuses to shake, and now he is the bad guy for not wanting to shake.   Why on earth should Suarez have to shake Evra's hand ?

I am not a big fan of Suarez, but he is being hung out to dry today. If PdC said that another player was a disgrace he would be in front of the FA to explain himself. Will Sir Alex? Like hell, he will.

This is just wrong. The FA spent millions employing some of the best QC's in the country to prove this case far beyond what it would have to be proven in a Magistrates court. Balance of probabilities on the evidence available makes up a major portion of justice in this Country's legal system.

There are a lot of things you can slag the FA off for, but not this. The Sports Minister was very happy with how the FA handled the disciplinary proceedure. They published an 80 page report. Maybe you should read that?

The truth is that Liverpool's reaction has been so indignant that I guess some people will still believe them.

[Arch Stanton]

Just my opinion.

Suarez - clearly thinks his intention in his comment was ok and feels he has been scapegoated.  Hence his reluctance to shake hands.  Actually behaved well during the game, resisting goading from manure.  But hes probably still a cunt.

Evra - Seems like a snidey little shit.  The sort of little creep in school who would go running to teacher if they thought it would help them.  Probably a cunt.

Ferguson - Mumbling incoherent glasweigan.  Not making much sense as the air up on the moral high ground is a bit thin.  His players have never misbehaved, no, never.  They are all lovely fragrant little flowers fighting against the odds to win.  Definitely a cunt.

Dalgleish - Every bit as mumbling and incoherent as the other one.  Got himself stuck on his own moral high ground whilst everyone else is pointing out that his moral high ground is actually a cess pit lined with the excrement of a thousand footballers engorged on protein drink and their own high opinion of themselves.  Also definitely a cunt.

All in all, a bunch of cunts twatting around whilst the media (dont start me on them.  Im over the cunt allowance for the week) declare it is the most important thing in the world that someone didn't shake somebody elses hand.

Now this made me laugh, almost spat my beer out. 

I disagree with the "just my opinion" bit though, I'd have preferred "this is how it is fuckers"

Apart from that - an excellent sense talking mini rant.

[wokinghamred]

This is just wrong. The FA spent millions employing some of the best QC's in the country to prove this case far beyond what it would have to be proven in a Magistrates court. Balance of probabilities on the evidence available makes up a major portion of justice in this Country's legal system.

There are a lot of things you can slag the FA off for, but not this. The Sports Minister was very happy with how the FA handled the disciplinary proceedure. They published an 80 page report. Maybe you should read that?

The truth is that Liverpool's reaction has been so indignant that I guess some people will still believe them.

I have read the report in its entirety - 115 pages actually, not 80.

A key element of the decision is based on reliability of evidence. The FA believed that Evra was a more consistent witness than Suarez. That does not in itself mean that Evra's evidence was any more accurate, just that it appeared more reliable. There is also factual difference of opinion over how many times things were said - so who knows the truth?
The report agreed that Evra started the verbal confrontation by Evra insulting Suarez. Maybe that is one reason that Suarez feels agrieved ?

The experts did not 'prove' anything. There was no dispute over what words were said (only how many times they were said). Suarez agreed what words were said. The input of the experts was intepretation.

The conclusion, by the way, was that Suarez used words likely to be insulting in the country in which they were used, whilst acknowledging that Suarez speaks little English, after much evidence as you described by language experts. Evra in comparison speaks 5 languages fluently. It also concluded that Evra does not believe that Suarez is racist, and the FA conclude that he did not act as he did because he is a racist.

The report also acknowledged that the case was brought by the FA and that the FA commission were both judge and jury. In what other sphere of life is that natural justice? The Sports Minister may have been happy with how it was handled, but I cannot think of any other areas of corporate governance where being prosecutor, judge and jury would be acceptable. Can you?

My only observation is that clearly Suarez and Liverpool do not agree that the outcome has been fair, given the actions of both Suarez and Evra. There are always two sides to every argument

[tans]

When it comes to liverpool fans, they are never in the wrong, its the entire planets fault except theirs

pricks

Agreed

[LucienSanchez]

Suarez is an absolute wound. Even if you exclude the racism thing, his kick on Scott Parker last Monday, his constant diving since his arrival, and the 8 game ban for biting an opponent in Holland go some way to illustrating what a cunt he is. The Evra thing should be the final straw. Fergie is completely correct, although Suarez isn't a disgrace to Liverpool, Liverpool are fucking abhorrent themselves. Dalgleish should be embarrassed and ashamed, as should every Red scouser.

[janaage]

Just my opinion.

Suarez - clearly thinks his intention in his comment was ok and feels he has been scapegoated.  Hence his reluctance to shake hands.  Actually behaved well during the game, resisting goading from manure.  But hes probably still a cunt.

Well it's lucky it's your opinion as it's not definitely not fact. Suarez spent most of the game acting like a spoilt child. The bloke as previously mentioned is a superb footballer but has let himself and his club down over this. During yesterday's match he appeared to be blaming his team mates, the opponents, the officials, pretty much anyone but himself, for his shoddy performance.

Oh and I thought Liverpool fans were meant to be some kind breed of amazing supporters, could hardly hear a thing from them all match, and we were sat pretty close to them, although supporting that shower of a team it's no wonder they couldn't be arsed giving any vocal support.

[Batch]

My only observation is that clearly Suarez and Liverpool do not agree that the outcome has been fair, given the actions of both Suarez and Evra. There are always two sides to every argument

It doesn't matter that they didn't agree with it, the moment they chose not to appeal  they should have shut the fuck up and drawn a line under it. But they, or Suarez, chose not to.

[wokinghamred]

It doesn't matter that they didn't agree with it, the moment they chose not to appeal  they should have shut the fuck up and drawn a line under it. But they, or Suarez, chose not to.

Wow, a big supporter of the FA appeals process.
You know what happens when you appeal. They increase the penalty for daring to question it.
Another example of natural justice as espoused by the FA

[Batch]

What is that got to do with the price of fish?

Are you saying because there is no faith in the FA appeals process it is OK to carry on acting in the way they are?

If you are then fair enough. LFC have to live with the consequences, and it is damaging their clubs reputation.

[thedarkprince]

In the programme notes, Kenny allegedly said that he'd spoken with Suarez about the handshake and told him that he should do it to draw a line under the affair and that he'd agreed.

Now either King Kenny's lying through his teeth to his own fans or Suarez went against his own boss' orders.

If he went against his orders, I'd imagine he'd be fined or disciplined in some way. If he doesnt get punished then are we to assume that Kenny has no authority over the dressing room?

Either way, both are counts.

[janaage]

Out of interest which programme notes are these?