Fans debate

[jonny72]

This thread is becoming a joke. Granted, there maybe a few idiots at Swindon games and it obviously upsets a couple of people but comparing it to 80's football violence is hilarious.

I didn't compare it to 80's football violence, you did. What I said was;

- people still think violence is acceptable if they keep it to themselves
- giving people a slap is an acceptable way of dealing with it
- going to a football match shouldn't be any different from other forms of entertainment

I stand by my comment that things haven't moved on much and they won't until the underlying attitude of football fans changes.

[nochee]

I never had any problems at games during the 80's when I was a kid, don't remember us ever staying away from games due to the potential for trouble. You can't say the same nowadays as you can see from this thread.

I didn't compare it to 80's football violence, you did. What I said was;

- people still think violence is acceptable if they keep it to themselves
- giving people a slap is an acceptable way of dealing with it
- going to a football match shouldn't be any different from other forms of entertainment

I stand by my comment that things haven't moved on much and they won't until the underlying attitude of football fans changes.

You did compare

[sonicyouth]

9 pages later and we've reached the conclusion that alcohol makes people act like dicks?

[DV]

...and getting football scores mixed up!

[Sippo]

I thought I was a grumpy bastard then I read parts of this thread and realised there are grumpier people out there than me!

[joteddyred]

Although some think this thread has got out of hand and ott, it's quite good to see so many different people posting in it and being quite emotive about the subject.  This is something that's been slightly lacking on this forum over the last couple of months.

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

I particularly like jonny72's distorted nostalgic view of the past. Ahhh the 1980's when the terraces were safe to be, back in my day....

[Dozno9]

I should be able to seat my son next to me in the DRS but I can't because of the swearing idiots in front of me so I pay £x to go to the members area if he comes. I wouldn't take him into the Townend for the reason I see that stand as the "adult" stand.

Away terraces (not seating & terraces) have a mixture of both sectors and it's up to each part to respect the other. Unfortunately, what I saw at Plymouth (my only away game) was a load of drunk idiots turning up at 2:55 pushing their way to where they wanted to stand. Although I do say the stewards that day were over zealous, which exasperated the situation.

What I saw at Plymouth and previous away games is a load of drunk kids headed up by 1 or 2 Dickens-esc style "adults" who have the same mental capability. Everyone can tend away games but just respect that everyone isn't like you and that the World is a better place for it.

edit: I have had a few wines

[Ironside]

Been saying it for years....Swindon fans are complete wankers/tosspots/spanners/retards/If I missed anyone's shitness, I include them too...

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

I think you missed cunts, but i think that's been covered

[Ironside]

Sorry dude, didn't want to mention you by name or anything 

[deltaincline]

I find the number of people that seem to think bad behaviour is in anyway acceptable at a football match a worry, same for those that think giving the perpetuators a slap or a kicking is the solution. It wouldn't be acceptable at the cinema or a concert or anywhere else yet it seems to be ok at a football match. It's not so much the actions that trouble me, more the general attitude towards it of most so called football fans.

That's just a shit analogy, Jonny.

I wouldn't expect a load of pissed-up cretins to jump up and down causing mayhem in the cinema - would you?

If they did, and they caused my family to become scared or harassed, I'd put either the mouthiest, the most aggressive or the obvious ring-leader straight on their arse, no problem. And I'd follow up swiftly with anyone else who fancied a pop. If they got the better of me, thats life. Id rather go down trying to protect my family than put up with wankers who cant take their drink, or who have no respect for kids or other people.

The alternative I guess is to sit back and hope someone else deals with it, or for someone with 'authority' to come along, which is just abdicating social responsibility in my book.

If a lad gets a smack in the mouth when he's acting like a cunt, he wont forget it. He equally wont forget the humiliation of being twatted in front of his mates. Equally, most of them are either cowards or bullies. Either way, they wont want to attract similar treatment, and generally will sober up quickly and just shut the fuck up.

Everyone - including the wankers - can then just move on and enjoy the football.

It's just good parenting really, only on a slightly bigger scale

[jonny72]

I particularly like jonny72's distorted nostalgic view of the past. Ahhh the 1980's when the terraces were safe to be, back in my day....

I think you, along with everyone else, has missed my point. Sure there was a lot of bad and big trouble at football in the 80's which has largely gone away (but not totally), though as I said I spent many games on the terraces and never saw let alone got involved in any trouble. But the same underlying issues are still there;

- people still think violence is acceptable if they keep it to themselves
- giving people a slap is an acceptable way of dealing with it
- going to a football match shouldn't be any different from other forms of entertainment

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

The only other comparable form of entertainment where people are likely to be quite pissed up and in standing areas is music gigs, going to the cinema is hardly comparable.

If you actually went to gigs or 'music concerts' as you call them, you'd know that you get some real genuine cunts at them who really put in to perspective how much this thread has blown been blown out of proportion when it's only a few overexcited pissed up teenagers. Try getting a pint of piss chucked over you, you'll feel a little different then I assure you.

[Simon Pieman]

In my opinion football should be different because otherwise I may as well stay home and watch Sky. Soak up the atmosphere on an HD telly with surround sound with amplified crowd noise because everyone is afraid of saying boo to a goose and get reprimanded. The day that football grounds make genuine efforts to seat people causing no bother, throw them out for swearing or having a giggle is the day I stay at home. I want to sing about turning the Manor Ground into a public lavatory not turn watching football into a watching a tennis match.

I'm sure the group in question are there just for a laugh but if they've gone overboard I can understand the grumples. Talk to those in question, if it doesn't work talk to the stewards, then talk to the police if they are that bad and it doesn't stop. Throwing a strop on here week in and week out hasn't resolved anything.

In my opinion it should be the stewards sorting out who goes where to avoid things like the above happening. Putting a group of youngsters in with families sitting their kids on railings is just asking for trouble. That said, if you see kids about and fancy singing a shit song about bouncing to Status Quo, probably best to find another spot (and shut up because it was a terrible song).