Europe Debate: In or out?

[jayohaitchenn]

I'm not from Poland mate.

[Matchworn Shirts]

Not English either then?

http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/hellkamp.htm

[jayohaitchenn]

No, I am English.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment#Earliest_usage_of_concentration_camps_and_origins_of_the_term

[Matchworn Shirts]

First time is was used on a large scale was by the English. Even though people like you would have the world believe the Germans were the first to use it on such a scale.

P.S - the use by the Nazis of the camps was completely wrong, and should NEVER have happened

[jayohaitchenn]

Hook, line and sinker. Cheers Herman

[Matchworn Shirts]

No worries

[donkey]

I thought the Spanish were first to use them a few years before the Brits.

But (if wiki is reliable) then it was the Russians!  Learn something new everyday.

[janaage]

Odd comment from a man whoses country 'invented' the concentration camp

Is who invented the concentration camp important? If I invented the gun, does that make me responsible for every death caused by them?  The Gerries took the concept of the concentration camp to another level - not to the band Another Level.

Circa 30,000 total dead in British camps (in 2nd boer war) v 20,000 a day in the German versions. No need to go to penalties on that one.

Interesting read on the Boer suffering here http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/hellkamp.htm

Back to Europe, I see the Greeks are doing everything in their power to create more uncertainty. A Gareth out package agreed, then a referendum called, now Greek govt ministers are querying the need of calling a referendum. Make a decision, and lets get rid of the negative market sentiment out there, corporates are looking pretty tasty at the moment.

[LucienSanchez]

I've never liked Greece... invented the toilet, then pretty much left it as it is. Having to put loo-roll in a bit is a bit primitive.

[Bennett]

[jonny72]

Looks like Mr Cameron may have decided on out of the EU.

I'm pro EU but think he got it right on this one. The rest of the EU (led by France and Germany) appear to have lost the plot and are clutching at straws to pull them out of the massive pile of shit they are in.

They've suddenly decided they've got to have tighter financial rules. They knew that when they started the Euro and they put similar rules to those now planned in place. Then they realised some countries wouldn't meet them, so ignored the rules and eventually got rid of them. No doubt they'll end up doing the same again.

I've got zero confidence in the EU to sort the mess out and if anything they seem intent on making it worse. Appears to be no guarantee their plan will work and the shit will really hit the fan (which is scary given how bad things are at present). We're best off as far away from them as possible so as little of the shit as possible lands over here.

[Summerof69]

Fully agree Jonny.

Everybody going on about how Greece shouldn't have been let join, but since the Germans and French were breaking the Euro rules which they put in from the outset...they couldn't really tell the Greeks to do one !!

Anyway, the idea of the Euro was in effect to let the Germans run Europe, which they failed to to do in 2 World Wars, but this time not shoot one bullet in anger to do it. Sarkozy's been acting as a puppet collaborator ever since he was made President, as he and Merkel has been intertwined.

Cameron has shown some balls for once, and the sooner a referendum is called the better. If we voted to get out of the EU, we would save paying billions to a fraudulent organisation (the EU haven't had their accounts signed off for 15 years), set our own laws, etc, but the EU will have no credibility, as they will be lose one of the biggest economies in the world at the worst time for it.

[ghanimah]

Looks like Mr Cameron may have decided on out of the EU.

I'm pro EU but think he got it right on this one. The rest of the EU (led by France and Germany) appear to have lost the plot and are clutching at straws to pull them out of the massive pile of shit they are in.

They've suddenly decided they've got to have tighter financial rules. They knew that when they started the Euro and they put similar rules to those now planned in place. Then they realised some countries wouldn't meet them, so ignored the rules and eventually got rid of them. No doubt they'll end up doing the same again.

I've got zero confidence in the EU to sort the mess out and if anything they seem intent on making it worse. Appears to be no guarantee their plan will work and the shit will really hit the fan (which is scary given how bad things are at present). We're best off as far away from them as possible so as little of the shit as possible lands over here.

Has he bollocks, he's done nothing of the sort

[Ardiles]

The Wall Street Journal is calling Cameron's use of the veto one of the greatest mistakes of all time.  And others are saying it was a masterstroke.  I guess we won't really know until the dust settles.  Personally, I think I'm glad that the line in the sand has been drawn.  It's changed things for sure.  Interesting times.

[thedarkprince]

Has he bollocks, he's done nothing of the sort

Agreed, he's not done any such thing. There's fuck all chance of us leaving the single market, just leaving the countries who have exacerbated the problem to sort out their own mess.