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« Reply #30 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 17:01:19 » |
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m Can't see the Board changing their strategy to be honest.....which will mean another relatively low key appointment...Hart/McParland, Trollope, Money sort of thing.
I wouldn't be adverse to Mellon
The board need to remember that the F.C. in our name stands for Football Club. That was has left me most disillusioned with us this season, its all money, money, money - dont get me wrong I dont want the club to spend shit loads of money it doesnt have and all that but at the end of the day we're (supposed to be) a competitive sports team! Brighton gambled this year, they spent money in the summer and January - no doubt operated at a loss and it did them no fucking harm. We sold all our players first chance we got, replaced them on the cheap - if at all, operated at a profit and went down - fucking brilliant. |
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« Reply #31 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 17:25:58 » |
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The board need to remember that the F.C. in our name stands for Football Club.
That was has left me most disillusioned with us this season, its all money, money, money - dont get me wrong I dont want the club to spend shit loads of money it doesnt have and all that but at the end of the day we're (supposed to be) a competitive sports team!
Brighton gambled this year, they spent money in the summer and January - no doubt operated at a loss and it did them no fucking harm. We sold all our players first chance we got, replaced them on the cheap - if at all, operated at a profit and went down - fucking brilliant.
I still happen to think the strategy is essentially correct, I just don't think we can afford to flirt with the sort of business practices we have in the past...we very nearly went under, and that in a more benevolent economic climate. At least you have the option of not going to watch the club, even though it will still exist. That has to be better than having no option at all. |
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« Reply #32 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 17:44:52 » |
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I still happen to think the strategy is essentially correct, I just don't think we can afford to flirt with the sort of business practices we have in the past...we very nearly went under, and that in a more benevolent economic climate.
At least you have the option of not going to watch the club, even though it will still exist. That has to be better than having no option at all.
Absolutely right. I want a really nice car. We want really good players. If I buy a really nice car, i might end up losing my house. If we buy really good players, we might lose the club. What do you do? I bought a Grande Punto. I still have my house. Its not ideal, but its better than nothing. |
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« Reply #33 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:10:19 » |
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Yes, but you having a really nice car wont increase the value of your house, nor is your car ever likely increase in value.
Having the best car in your street wont make more people pay to watch your car. Having a better car wont attract better sponsors to your house. You having a better car wont earn you more prize money.
Plus, having a really nice car isnt a competition 24 other cars are competing in. Having a nice car wont get you promoted to an area with other nice cars.
...and your house and car isnt being bank rolled by a consortium of people who have alot of money behind them.
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« Reply #34 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:14:56 » |
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Since when have we had the right to demand that other people throw their money away for us?
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« Reply #35 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:21:53 » |
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Did I say that?
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« Reply #36 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:25:37 » |
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Pretty much yeah!
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« Reply #37 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:33:27 » |
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Did I say that?
You did, yes. "Bankrolled by a consortium of people who have a lot of money behind them" - you want them to put more money into the club, at a very high risk of getting nothing back. If you look at your suggestion from their point of view, you might understand why Mourinho isn't our manager and we haven't signed Messi, Ronaldo, Tevez and the ghost of Stanley Matthews. |
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« Reply #38 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:34:48 » |
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Nope.
Their business men, I'm sure they know in most business you need to speculate to accumulate.
Next season we could spend nothing in transfers, hire a cheap manager, operate at a profit and finish 15th. We could also get in a decent manager, spend 300k on getting players in, keep the same wage budget, operate at a slight loss and finish 1st.
In the long term option two is better. Winning team will bring in more people, go up and they'll stick around and get a season ticket next season. Bigger away followings in L1, better TV income, able to attract better sponsorship.
It seems most of you would be quite happy to be shit, finish 15th but operate at a profit.
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« Reply #39 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:36:37 » |
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You did, yes. "Bankrolled by a consortium of people who have a lot of money behind them" - you want them to put more money into the club, at a very high risk of getting nothing back. If you look at your suggestion from their point of view, you might understand why Mourinho isn't our manager and we haven't signed Messi, Ronaldo, Tevez and the ghost of Stanley Matthews.
All I said was our owners have alot of money, is this not true? The line you've quoted from me says nothing about them putting in large amounts of money. Perhaps I should have said your house and car isnt owned by a consortium of people with alot of money behind them. ...or I could just not bother, that seems a better idea. |
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« Reply #40 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:37:27 » |
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Nope.
Their business men, I'm sure they know in most business you need to speculate to accumulate.
Next season we could spend nothing in transfers, hire a cheap manager, operate at a profit and finish 15th. We could also get in a decent manager, spend 300k on getting players in, keep the same wage budget, operate at a slight loss and finish 1st.
In the long term option two is better. Winning team will bring in more people, go up and they'll stick around and get a season ticket next season. Bigger away followings in L1, better TV income, able to attract better sponsorship.
It seems most of you would be quite happy to be shit, finish 15th but operate at a profit.
Or - they might look at the countless examples of clubs who have spent beyond their means and felt the inevitable consequences - see Leeds, Plymouth, or Swindon Town not that many years ago, a few hours from not existing at all. |
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« Reply #41 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:38:33 » |
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All I said was our owners have alot of money, is this not true?
The line you've quoted from me says nothing about them putting in large amounts of money.
Perhaps I should have said your house and car isnt owned by a consortium of people with alot of money behind them.
...or I could just not bother, that seems a better idea.
So the money you want us to spend - if it doesn't come from the consortium, who does it come from? |
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« Reply #42 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:38:49 » |
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I don't think it's really a question of throwing money at the club, just stop running the football side like idiots.
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« Reply #43 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:39:30 » |
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I havent say anything about spending beyond our means though have I?
I havent said we should spend millions and millions of pounds and pay the players 15,000 a week.
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« Reply #44 on: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:41:13 » |
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Its a fine financial balancing act of spend v "product", not at all easy. Last season it worked a treat. This season the inverse. We can never put the future of the club at risk again, even if the consequences are relegation.
Might be this way for a while without a rich sugar daddy (or mammy).
edit: te he. Just saw DV's reply - so this will wind him up.
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