british and proud.....

[Lumps]

You put it so eloquently, you really do.

As a matter of fact i can't see any contradiction in what i say, would you be so kind as to point it out? No where have i judged anybody or made a comment about anybody, i said i think people can believe what they want without being called a cunt. I didn't say that there shouldn't be debate over peoples views; something tells me though that your view is always right?

 

If you're free to believe anything you like and express that belief, then I am equally free to consider you a braindead twat for believing it and to fucking tell you so.

Also, why so angry? can you not have a reasoned argument without swearing and calling me a braindead twat?

I'm not calling YOU a braindead twat, it wasn't you whose opinions I was asserting my right to judge based on the opinions they hold and express. I guess replace the "you"'s in the sentence with "someone" and "them" if that makes you feel better.

[König]

fair enough, i interpreted it wrong.

It does make me feel better though thanks 

[oxford_fan]

We have to respect their beliefs but I think they should respect our way of life more. I don't want to pigeon hole all muslims in the UK but a fair few I've met always try to convert me into their way of thinking, that their religion is the best, that if you don't follow their religion your living the wrong way. I think muslims try and enforce their beliefs on people of other religions more than any other religion and are far less tolerant of other peoples beliefs, way of life etc.  

The EDL does have racist undertones however I wouldn't say all members fall into that category.

Racist undertones? That is quite conservative.

How would you like Muslims to show this increased "respect for our way of life", and what exactly is our "way of life"? I've got an image of a guy in a turban, eating a bacon sandwich, pissed up, sitting outside the job centre, spitting racial slurs at a chinese man walking past.

Almost every religion has a small minority who see it as their purpose to try and convert people. Even seemingly passive forms of organised religion have such campaigners. It's offensive and not acceptable. Based on my experiences in Oxford and London, I've no foundation to believe that muslims even do this at all. Walk down Cornmarket Street in Oxford (the main shopping street in the city centre) on any day of the week and you can expect to see at least one, maybe two, stalls out pushing Christian Literature and attempting to draw you into a conversation, the motive of which is inevitably to convert or pursuade you. Then there is a fellow who is belting out his prophetic judgements for all and sundry to hear, phrases like "turn to Jesus or you will suffer when the time comes". Not once have I seen any Muslims attempting such shoddy tactics, and East Oxford in particular has a healthy Muslim community, so it is not due to a lack of presence.

In fact, the Islamic community here are known for their open-mindedness. Once a year there is a celebration of the Islamic faith, in the form of a street parade. People of all religions are openly invited to join their neighbours (and they do, en masse) and celebrate cultural diversity and the integration of people, regardless of faith. No preaching or attempted conversion or pursuasion takes place, it is merely the outward expression of the opposite sort of mindset which you claim Muslims (in your experience) to have - a willingness to integrate, accept, and celebrate difference.

I like the way you start a sentence with "I don't want to pigeon hole all muslims in the UK" then in the next sentence you pigeon hole all muslims in the UK ("I think muslims try and enforce their beliefs on people of other religions") based on your experience of "a fair few" - whatever that means.

[Bogus Dave]

Yeah, but muslimers are brown aint they.

[4D]

Religion = belief/opinion = contention

I wonder why I'm not religious.  

edit: Lumps = opinion = self

[König]

Racist undertones? That is quite conservative.

 I've got an image of a guy in a turban, eating a bacon sandwich, pissed up, sitting outside the job centre, spitting racial slurs at a chinese man walking past.

 

I thought it was Sikhs that wore turbans not muslims? 

[Simon Pieman]

I get really fucked off when those Al-Rahman Witnesses knock on my door and force their literature onto me.

[oxford_fan]

I thought it was Sikhs that wore turbans not muslims?  

Most Sikhs wear turbans, some muslims also.

[Crispy]

Racist undertones? That is quite conservative.

How would you like Muslims to show this increased "respect for our way of life", and what exactly is our "way of life"? I've got an image of a guy in a turban, eating a bacon sandwich, pissed up, sitting outside the job centre, spitting racial slurs at a chinese man walking past.

Almost every religion has a small minority who see it as their purpose to try and convert people. Even seemingly passive forms of organised religion have such campaigners. It's offensive and not acceptable. Based on my experiences in Oxford and London, I've no foundation to believe that muslims even do this at all. Walk down Cornmarket Street in Oxford (the main shopping street in the city centre) on any day of the week and you can expect to see at least one, maybe two, stalls out pushing Christian Literature and attempting to draw you into a conversation, the motive of which is inevitably to convert or pursuade you. Then there is a fellow who is belting out his prophetic judgements for all and sundry to hear, phrases like "turn to Jesus or you will suffer when the time comes". Not once have I seen any Muslims attempting such shoddy tactics, and East Oxford in particular has a healthy Muslim community, so it is not due to a lack of presence.

In fact, the Islamic community here are known for their open-mindedness. Once a year there is a celebration of the Islamic faith, in the form of a street parade. People of all religions are openly invited to join their neighbours (and they do, en masse) and celebrate cultural diversity and the integration of people, regardless of faith. No preaching or attempted conversion or pursuasion takes place, it is merely the outward expression of the opposite sort of mindset which you claim Muslims (in your experience) to have - a willingness to integrate, accept, and celebrate difference.

I like the way you start a sentence with "I don't want to pigeon hole all muslims in the UK" then in the next sentence you pigeon hole all muslims in the UK ("I think muslims try and enforce their beliefs on people of other religions") based on your experience of "a fair few" - whatever that means.

Strict Muslims don't eat Bacon/Pork. 

[pauld]

How would you like Muslims to show this increased "respect for our way of life", and what exactly is our "way of life"? I've got an image of a guy in a turban, eating a bacon sandwich, pissed up, sitting outside the job centre, spitting racial slurs at a chinese man walking past.

Strict Muslims don't eat Bacon/Pork. 

Wooooooooosshhhhhhhhhhhh! But then most of this has passed you by hasn't it?

[flammableBen]

Strict Muslims don't eat Bacon/Pork. 

Oh dear crispy. I'm imagining you being so excited by the first sentence that you didn't bother actually reading it.

"Ha Ha! I'll show them that I'm knowledgeable about Muslims and their strange secret ways! I bet nobody else knows that they don't eat pork"

[Crispy]

Nomnomnomnomnomnom

[Benzel]

Strict Muslims don't eat Bacon/Pork. 

Just the fucking best post ever. Well just behind Si Pies Al-Rahman Witnesses post.

[BANGKOK RED]

My misses was a (non-strict) muzzie when I first met her.

I think it was the bacon sarnies that bought her round.

[herthab]

The true Islamic Faith preaches tolerance for all religions, in fact if you go back to the Middle Ages, Muslim ruled countries were much more tolerant of other religions than those who were controlled by Christian rulers.

Prior to The Crusades, Jews, Christians and Muslims lived quite peacefully alongside each other in The Middle East.

The basis for most religions (Islam included) is the same, it's only when warped cunts with their own agendas get involved that they became hate filled and dangerous.

If the EDL want England to return to some halcyon days (Which probably never existed anyway) maybe they should demonstrate against the scummy element of society (Whatever their race or colour).

But then I suppose they would be demonstrating against most of their membership.