british and proud.....

[König]

Theres going to be civil war one day i think, and its most likely going to be about religion. I think there is a lot of hate towards muslims because of what is portrayed in the news and media, and what people see going on in the middle east etc, i would expect that very few people have met any extremist muslims, but it seems all muslims are tarnished with the same brush and that not everyone can see through the stereotype to the 'normal' muslims who practice their faith and go about their lives in the right way.

There is of course an extremist element that will grow, i think, and cause problems in the future. When there are more terrorist attacks in the UK, and more people killed, i think eventually the people in England will lash out, not only at the extremist muslims but at all those they perceive as being different. People get pissed off when they see foreigners coming over and milking the benefit system, living in 6 bedroom houses in london but not working for a single penny of it, whilst the average joe works his balls off to provide for himself and his family, only to be taxed half of what he earns. Or when foreign businessmen take over a company and make half of the workforce redundant; i think there is only so much people will take.

In terms of Crispy, i don't understand why just because his views don't fall into the mainstream, overly politically correct way of thinking that he has to be shot down and called a 'racist cunt', or that his opinion means nothing. A lot of you come across as considering yourself superior, taking the moral highground, but Crispy has explained why he has his views each time you've asked him but just because they don't comply with what you believe, he must immediately be wrong?
Maybe one day Crispy will change his views but it's not going to be helped by people jumping down his throat and shooting down all his views, he'll learn things himself without you lot telling him.

And finally, why is it, with the exception of Ben, none of you seem able to construct an argument without feeling the need to insult the person you're addressing? calling someone a racist cunt etc isn't exactly going to add credibility to your argument!

[BANGKOK RED]

overly politically correct

Objecting to racism is overly politically correct is it?

[Crispy]

Objecting to racism is overly politically correct is it?

You keep bringing the racist card up..

Lets just say the EDL go around killing every muslim they see, burning all mosques etc.. 'Muslim' isn't a race? So even if we were that extreme, how would it be racist?

[BANGKOK RED]

You keep bringing the racist card up..

Lets just say the EDL go around killing every muslim they see, burning all mosques etc.. 'Muslim' isn't a race? So even if we were that extreme, how would it be racist?

Don't think you get off on a technicality. I all amounts to EXACTLY the same thing.

[pauld]

So by the same token, the Nazis weren't racist? Come on, if "We may be a bunch of violent bigoted fascists but it's OK because we only pick on people because of their religion, not their ethnicity" is the best defence you've got, you're not doing well are you?

[Crispy]

So by the same token, the Nazis weren't racist? Come on, if "We may be a bunch of violent bigoted fascists but it's OK because we only pick on people because of their religion, not their ethnicity" is the best defence you've got, you're not doing well are you?

Where did I say that?

[Batch]

'Muslim' isn't a race? So even if we were that extreme, how would it be racist?

If you did it because of the colour of their skin it would be.

Perhaps BR should use religious Bigot instead of racist.

[BANGKOK RED]

Perhaps BR should use religious Bigot instead of racist.

Right you are.

And so I will re-iterate my question to stfc_bath..... Do you really define objecting against bigotry as being "overly politically correct"?

[Crispy]

Right you are.

And so I will re-iterate my question to stfc_bath..... Do you really define objecting against bigotry as being "overly politically correct"?

Thats better!

[Benzel]

Doing yourself a whole host of favours, child.

[Samdy Gray]

It's Islamophobia, if you want to get pedantic about it.

[König]

Objecting to racism is overly politically correct is it?

I didn't say that, what i mean is that we live in a world where everbody is too concerned with what they say in case it might offend someone, obviously the views of the EDL fall way out of this category and into the extreme, but people should be able to have their views and opinions without them being judged, i don't think any of us have the right to judge anybody else for what they believe, by doing that you're in effect persecuting them for what they believe, which is exactly what you're arguing with crispy about!

[Crispy]

Doing yourself a whole host of favours, child.

Am I? Everbody on here already knows my views, old man.

[BANGKOK RED]

I didn't say that, what i mean is that we live in a world where everbody is too concerned with what they say in case it might offend someone, obviously the views of the EDL fall way out of this category and into the extreme, but people should be able to have their views and opinions without them being judged, i don't think any of us have the right to judge anybody else for what they believe, by doing that you're in effect persecuting them for what they believe, which is exactly what you're arguing with crispy about!

Well that's all very convenient isn't it?

A bigot can speak out all they want on their views because they have a right to their opinion, but when somebody speak out against them, they are wrong for doing so!

[BANGKOK RED]

And can you see the irony on you coming on here objecting about people objecting about something?

I now object to your objection about everybody else's objection to bigotry.

We could be here all night