You didn't really answer the question, but I take it you believe that Islamic centres are such a danger that openly campaining against them outweighs the risks of further marginalising Muslims into fundamentalism?
If I could find a Catholic school where a kid had been abused by a priest, would that be enough for you to campaign against the closure of Catholic schools?
Do you think that all Islamic education centres are like that based on one film?
(My own view is that there shouldn't be any faith schools, be it CofE, catholic or Muslim, but I wouldn't pick out Muslim as particularly bad).
Not answered the question again.
Is that a "they started it argument"? If the Muslims who were screaming at soldiers had been beaten up by some ex-armed forces or something the day before, would that make it ok for you?
What makes you think the Muslim community isolates itself? They obviously express faith together, but that's by definitions, you're not a non-muslim if you're not going to muslim prayer. How much day to day interaction do you have with Muslims? Did you grow up with many at your Catholic school? Have you ever considered that it's you who are isolated?
Again you didn't answer the question, but you did just say that "Islamic Extremists are NOT a minority.".
Do you really think that the majority of British Muslims are extremist? If so do you think there's something special about Islam which makes you an extremist by definition? Even so, the huge majority of British Muslims aren't fundamentalist. I can pick as many fucking horrible things out the bible as you can out of the Qur'an. Actually they're pretty fucking similar.
If you're talking more from a world wide situation where there are still countries which practice some fairly harsh islamic law (mainly thanks to the west's interfering in countires for it's own means - but that's a different argument), wouldn't you be better off fighting that world wide by joining human rights groups and helping raise awareness to situations in Iran and Saudi Arabia?
You seem to really think that Islam is a threat, if that was really the case wouldn't it have been a problem when most of them first moved here? There's been a large Islamic community in Britain for decades.
Doesn't the fact that it's only a sudden "threat" now, indicate that it's a more complex political situation, and not to do with the religion itself? By continuously attacking the religion are you further politicising it and making it worse?
Linking into above when I asked if maybe it's you who's isolated, if you are wrong (and you are), and 99.9%+ of British Muslims aren't islamic extremists, then you might look back at your actions in a few years time with some big shame. You're basically attacking individuals' rights to practice their faith. Is that something you'd agree with doing?
How would you have felt if at 12 years old some skin heads had come along to campaign against you and your family because you went to a catholic school?
Have you heard the "When I was young, and had no sense...." song at Swindon games? The one which says "fuck the pope and the IRA"?
If that wasn't just a football song but being aimed at you personally, and with hatred because of your background (presuming you aren't an IRA member, but then the majority or Muslims aren't terrorists) how would you feel? Probably followed up with songs of fuck off back to Ireland, even if you aren't Irish.
This is going to take fucking ages to answer so I'm gonna answer it as the 'racist lazy twat' I am...
You didn't really answer the question, but I take it you believe that Islamic centres are such a danger that openly campaining against them outweighs the risks of further marginalising Muslims into fundamentalism? What you believe I believe, is what I believe.
If I could find a Catholic school where a kid had been abused by a priest, would that be enough for you to campaign against the closure of Catholic schools?If it was on the scale of extriemests coming out of English mosques, yes.
Do you think that all Islamic education centres are like that based on one film? No.
Is that a "they started it argument"? If the Muslims who were screaming at soldiers had been beaten up by some ex-armed forces or something the day before, would that make it ok for you?Of course it is.. if there wasn't any resistance at the Luton homecoming march there would be no UPL/EDL. If the problem was never there, nor would we. If a few old boys giving them a slap the night before and meaning they didn't inter fear with the march there would be no UPL/EDL.
What makes you think the Muslim community isolates itself? They obviously express faith together, but that's by definitions, you're not a non-muslim if you're not going to muslim prayer. How much day to day interaction do you have with Muslims? Did you grow up with many at your Catholic school? Have you ever considered that it's you who are isolated?I think the Muslim community isolates itself in a few ways, take Manchester road for example, on a short road you've got a mosque, about 2 Halal meat shops, and shops like "Bangladeshi Food Mart". I went into a corner shop the other week to get some cigarettes before the Dagenham game and they couldn't serve because they couldn't understand me.. I had to point out what I wanted. On BBC radio Wiltshire not too long ago, there was a piece about white English children getting turnt away from a nursery because it is a "Faith Nursery" <-- If that's not isolating your children from an early age I don't know what is. From going to about 3-4 football games a week in different towns/city's and working I get my fair share of Muslim interaction. There were 4 or 5 in my primary school and probably double that at my secondary school. No.
Do you really think that the majority of British Muslims are extremist? If so do you think there's something special about Islam which makes you an extremist by definition? Even so, the huge majority of British Muslims aren't fundamentalist. I can pick as many fucking horrible things out the bible as you can out of the Qur'an. Actually they're pretty fucking similar.I do indeed, certainly a growing number. I don't think that just blowing yourself up makes you an extremist, look at the Charline Downs case. They actually are not pretty fucking similar.
If you're talking more from a world wideIf they want to carry on their barbaric Sharia Law in mainly Muslims countrys, I don't agree with it, but its not my place to stop it.
You seem to really think that Islam is a threat, if that was really the case wouldn't it have been a problem when most of them first moved here? There's been a large Islamic community in Britain for decades. Islam is a threat, I really don't understand why your asking me that, but could understand asking an older EDL member, so i'll try my best to answer for you. I understand that there have been Muslims in England for a long time, but they haven't been going around blowing up the tube stations and burning poppys for decades, I know the IRA did in the past but thats nothing to do with the EDL.. I know they were extriemests..
Doesn't the fact that it's only a sudden "threat" now, indicate that it's a more complex political situation, and not to do with the religion itself? By continuously attacking the religion are you further politicising it and making it worse?If you talk to a Muslim with extreme views, they will tell you that it is a plan for 'Islamifiying the west' it could well be making it worse, but the EDL have already stopped more mosques being built in certain parts of England and are reciving world wide support. If the EDL are stopping a number of mosques being built, surely that must reduce the risk of more extremests coming from the Mosques?
Linking into above when I asked if maybe it's you who's isolated, if you are wrong (and you are), and 99.9%+ of British Muslims aren't islamic extremists, then you might look back at your actions in a few years time with some big shame. You're basically attacking individuals' rights to practice their faith. Is that something you'd agree with doing?Not really much point trying to defend myself on this one if you've already made up your mind that I'm wrong. I'm not attacking anybody's right to kneel on a prayer mat towards Mecca.
How would you have felt if at 12 years old some skin heads had come along to campaign against you and your family because you went to a catholic school? I wouldn't be happy, but I don't really know enough about the whole IRA situation.
Have you heard the "When I was young, and had no sense...." song at Swindon games? The one which says "fuck the pope and the IRA"? No, but i have heard other clubs singing it.
If that wasn't just a football song but being aimed at you personally, and with hatred because of your background (presuming you aren't an IRA member, but then the majority or Muslims aren't terrorists) how would you feel? Probably followed up with songs of fuck off back to Ireland, even if you aren't Irish.I'm not an IRA member. I wouldn't like hearing that at all, or course I wouldn't. But we don't target moderate Muslims..
