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« Reply #45 on: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 11:43:40 »

Last Sunday I attended the Bundesliga 2 game between Fortuna Dusseldorf v FC Ingolstadt 04.  Our match tickets cost 11 Euros which also covered the cost of using public transport from the city centre to the Espirit Arena.  The train took us straight to the Stadium on time and we took our places to watch the game.  It was a pretty entertaining game, Fortuna coming out 3-1 winners however I noticed numerous things that were different to watching a game in England...

-11 Euros to watch the second tier of German football is excellent value.  Added to this, the transport to the ground was effectively free of charge was a total bonus.
-You were able to drink beer on the terraces whilst watching the game and there was no trouble.
- Safe standing was in place and once again, there was no trouble.
-The Fortuna Ultras were located in a couple of blocks towards the corner flag.  These fans were led by a chap with a microphone and loud speaker leading the chanting which pretty much continued non stop for the 90 minutes + half time.  It was a pleasure to see and hear.
- Although there were only 20,000 there (in a stadium which can hold 50,000) it was a cracking atmosphere.
- The Fortuna players had a lap of honour at the end thanking the supporters which resulted in the Man of the Match taking a microphone and thanking the fans direct.  He then embarked on leading a singalong between himself and the Ultras, something I would love to see Jonathan Douglas do after we win a game.

Overall my experience of watching football in Germany has been excellent and has led me to believe that this country could learn a great deal from our European neighbours.  If only games at Swindon could be more like that!


One of the guys at my work lives in Dusseldorf and goes to some of the games saying how much better it is than going to a game in England. However he is from Brighton which is frankly an awful matchday experience!
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« Reply #46 on: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 15:46:44 »

I honestly believe that the Germans have the best league in Europe.  Don't get me wrong...I think the English league is good as well, but you can't help but think that German football today has many of the attributes that we used to have here, but have now lost.

One of the areas that we score very highly in this country is strength in depth right through the league structure.  Many leagues have a strong top division attracting large crowds, but then it all fizzles out lower down (Spain and Italy being good examples).  Well Germany has that too...but they also have affordable tickets, safe standing and a bond between players and fans that we don't seem to get as much here.

My own view is that this goes right back to the fan ownership structure practised in Germany - where at least 51% of the share capital of every league club is owned by the fans.  Clubs up & down Germany are, therefore, owned by the fans and - by extension - by the towns they are located in.  No dodgy petro-dollars, no Portuguesers lurking in the background, no PIK loans and little City involvement.  Just a competitive, well-supported league run for the benefit of paying customers.  If there was any way at all we could introduce something similar here, I would take it in a shot...but of course, it will never happen.
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« Reply #47 on: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 16:53:30 »

Last Sunday I attended the Bundesliga 2 game between Fortuna Dusseldorf v FC Ingolstadt 04.  Our match tickets cost 11 Euros which also covered the cost of using public transport from the city centre to the Espirit Arena.  The train took us straight to the Stadium on time and we took our places to watch the game.  It was a pretty entertaining game, Fortuna coming out 3-1 winners however I noticed numerous things that were different to watching a game in England...

-11 Euros to watch the second tier of German football is excellent value.  Added to this, the transport to the ground was effectively free of charge was a total bonus.
-You were able to drink beer on the terraces whilst watching the game and there was no trouble.
- Safe standing was in place and once again, there was no trouble.
-The Fortuna Ultras were located in a couple of blocks towards the corner flag.  These fans were led by a chap with a microphone and loud speaker leading the chanting which pretty much continued non stop for the 90 minutes + half time.  It was a pleasure to see and hear.
- Although there were only 20,000 there (in a stadium which can hold 50,000) it was a cracking atmosphere.
- The Fortuna players had a lap of honour at the end thanking the supporters which resulted in the Man of the Match taking a microphone and thanking the fans direct.  He then embarked on leading a singalong between himself and the Ultras, something I would love to see Jonathan Douglas do after we win a game.

Overall my experience of watching football in Germany has been excellent and has led me to believe that this country could learn a great deal from our European neighbours.  If only games at Swindon could be more like that!


What did you make of Ingolstadt? Were they any good? Karlsruhe have got them at home on Sunday and desperately need to start putting a run of wins together to avoid the utter humiliation of dropping down to the same league as Stu**gart reserves.

On topic, however, I'm off to 1860 vs. KSC in about 3 weeks. 15,000 people in a 70,000 capacity stadium is going to feel weird. Massively disappointed with the Allianz Arena banning alcohol in the stand for the away fans, and giving us a seated section. This is the first time I've ever been to a German game as an away fan - it's literally going to be 400 Ultras and me and my mate in the 'pen' - I cannot wait, must remember to pack the fireworks.

Were you in a safe standing area? What do you make of it? I've never been in one or seen one in action in person, all the grounds I've been to in Germany have just had standard terracing where you end up a few rows forwards and covered in lager every time a goal goes in.

P.S. the landlord of one of my locals in Keynsham used to play for Fortuna!
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« Reply #48 on: Friday, February 25, 2011, 11:37:27 »

What did you make of Ingolstadt? Were they any good? Karlsruhe have got them at home on Sunday and desperately need to start putting a run of wins together to avoid the utter humiliation of dropping down to the same league as Stu**gart reserves.

On topic, however, I'm off to 1860 vs. KSC in about 3 weeks. 15,000 people in a 70,000 capacity stadium is going to feel weird. Massively disappointed with the Allianz Arena banning alcohol in the stand for the away fans, and giving us a seated section. This is the first time I've ever been to a German game as an away fan - it's literally going to be 400 Ultras and me and my mate in the 'pen' - I cannot wait, must remember to pack the fireworks.

Were you in a safe standing area? What do you make of it? I've never been in one or seen one in action in person, all the grounds I've been to in Germany have just had standard terracing where you end up a few rows forwards and covered in lager every time a goal goes in.

P.S. the landlord of one of my locals in Keynsham used to play for Fortuna!

Personally I didnt think that Ingolstadt were that bad, they passed the ball about pretty nicely but didnt really have anyone up top to take the game to Fortuna and therefore the Fortuna defence had a pretty comfortable afternoon.  They just seemed to be a typical team struggling at the wrong end of the table.  Fortuna had an excellent season last year, mainly helped along by bringing in Martin Harnik on loan however I believe that he is doing the business at Stuttgart this season and Fortuna have missed a regular goalscorer which is why they have been in mid-table for the majority of the season.  Losing the first 6 games of the season didnt help either.  Fortuna also have a defender called Lukimya who is a cross between Jean-Francois and Jerel Ifil!

You will have a fantastic time with the away fans, the great thing about the Ultras it seems that no matter how far the distance, how many there are of them, they will always create an excellent atmosphere.  After speaking to locals at Fortuna it seems that they took 5000 to the game against Hertha Berlin a couple of weeks ago, they had to get up at 4am to make the journey.  Get the aviators & flares going and you will fit right in!

We were a couple of rows behind the safe standing area but we stood, pretty much as we do in the Town End.  The people in the safe standing area though all kept within their 'zone' and it seemed like everyone obeyed the rules and there were certainly no over crowding in the terracing area.  I am not sure that would happen in England though.

The Espirit Arena is being used for the Eurovision Song Contest in a few months so as I understand Fortuna will not be allowed to play at the stadium as a favour for the local council building the stadium for them.  Instead of using their 'Reserve Stadium' which holds about 7000, they are building a 'Temporary Stadium' which can hold 30,000 just for the remaining 3 home games of the season.  Once again, I am not sure that would happen in England.
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« Reply #49 on: Friday, February 25, 2011, 18:16:00 »

I wouldnt be that sorry if the laws on drinking alcohol whilst watching the game in the UK were never relaxed. I dont really miss it, and most of it would end up on the floor anyway.

Regarding the travel, and getting up at 4am, the group savers on the train in Germany must be fantastic for the away fans. Providing you dont use the ICE you can get tickets for 5 of you for the price of 2. In the World Cup we went from Stuttgart to Munich for about 5 Euros each.
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