Fantastic Performance

[thepeoplesgame]

I firmly believe it's due to the influx of foreign players in England and the reluctance of Premier League teams to give young players that much need experience, either for them to pick up form or even for them to develop into top class players. Rich Pullen made a great point the other day about Germany and how their youngsters from the last World Cup had made so many appearances for their club teams in the Bundesliga. Not so much Henderson because he is playing every week for Sunderland and will only get better, but the likes of Gibbs, Walcott et al need more experience of Premier League football.

I largely agree, but I actually don't think the Premier League is a good place to learn to play international football even if these youngsters do get a game. Sure, top internationals from overseas can come here and thrive - once they have adapted to the pace and hectic nature of our game - but they all learnt to play somewhere else.

He'd earn less money, but it would be great to see someone like Gibbs fuck off to Ajax or Bordeaux or Wolfsburg or Anderlecht or Partizan fucking Belgrade, play football every week in a less pressured environment and get some Champions/Europa League experience.

[Jean-Francois is God]

I swear I heard Mickey Quinn on Talksport yesterday stating it was about time Henderson and other younger players were called up for England.  This morning he is saying that it came too soon for him and after playing only one full season with Sunderland that he should be nowhere near the England team (or words to that effect).

I think that we just have to get used to England being an "average" team.  Roll on the Welsh in March.

[Samdy Gray]

He'd earn less money, but it would be great to see someone like Gibbs fuck off to Ajax or Bordeaux or Wolfsburg or Anderlecht or Partizan fucking Belgrade, play football every week in a less pressured environment and get some Champions/Europa League experience.

Oh, I agree with that too. If that practice became common place then England could have a very good [future] team. But convicing young players to go abroad would be even harder than getting Premier League managers to field young English players.

[Kinky Tom]

yep, too many foreigners has certainly made a difference...

one of the main culprits of this is Wenger but if you take a look at their younger players coming through now there are a lot of english lads in there - wenger's been there long enough to have these kids growing up in a completly different culture than most other english clubs.  i'm hoping that along with wilshire and to a degree gibbs there will be a good pool of talent coming through in the next few years from north london.

[chalkies_shorts]

The problems with our youngsters ( and even established stars ) is threefold. First of all, the vast majority have shite technique. Second of all, their wages. Why would you pay £20k a week after a substantial fee for a young English player when you can get a Dutchie for a much smaller fee and much lesser wages. Third of all, how many of our players have truly lived up to their potential abroad. Its not only a lack of technique but a lot of our players are fucking Neanderthals who would have no chance abroad - they're too fucking stupid to adapt.
Why are there not many foreign clubs lining up to sign English players - because they have a wider view of the world and the players in it. They are not deluded like we are. 

[A Gent Orange]

As I see it the problem isn't technique as such, it is thought. English players aren't taught how to play, they teach themselves what works. (Not enough coaches to teach one on one) Initally they could master the kind of one touch game but they haven't needed to and so they stick with the kind of direct game that dominates in these Isles. Hey, it works so why try to play a harder way? Then, they can't adapt, can't match the movement that others learnt as theory age 8 and have used since.

The tactical element exacerbates this problem - creating simple shapes of three bands that other teams can play through leaving the players chasing shadows and so 'looking uninterested' in many people's eyes - but the problem is rooted far deeper. IMHO and all that... 

[adje]

The problems with our youngsters ( and even established stars ) is threefold. First of all, the vast majority have shite technique. Second of all, their wages. Why would you pay £20k a week after a substantial fee for a young English player when you can get a Dutchie for a much smaller fee and much lesser wages. Third of all, how many of our players have truly lived up to their potential abroad. Its not only a lack of technique but a lot of our players are fucking Neanderthals who would have no chance abroad - they're too fucking stupid to adapt.
Why are there not many foreign clubs lining up to sign English players - because they have a wider view of the world and the players in it. They are not deluded like we are. 

That's pretty much spot on Chalk-speed of thought is the problem with our players,not lack of technique{apart from Barry maybe).Ferdinand has pretty good ball technique but is so fucking dumb he constantly gets pulled out of position or ball watches and loses his man.Clever foreign players make him look ridiculous.And he is held up as one of our so-called world class players.Gerrard can control and kick a ball well enough but constantly makes the wrong decisions when passing.

[Benzel]

Jesus christ. It was a friendly, we have injuries. Thats why they played, and like sam said, they aren't going to get better unless they play.

It was a friendly, cappello tried something different. If he can't do it in friendlys when can he do it?

He'd be getting stick for picking Rooney et al if they were all fit. "I thought this was a new chapter..." etc.

[Rich Pullen]

As long as we beat the Welsh.