In defence of Vic

[Berniman]

He was still in a privelaged position whether he was paid or not.  Not me personally but I am sure there are people on here that would love the chance to have a go.  I would be interested to see what Juddie has to say about it, he has always done a decent job and doesn't see the requirement to have a dig at the fans, he just comes on here and calls us cunts like everyone else!

[Mexicano Rojo]

yes but juddie IS a cunt.

[Fred Elliot]

I think we're all big enough to take it

Its a shame he isnt

[Berniman]

He's biting back at people slagging off his mate. Seems fair enough to me. Some of the reactions have been a bit like everyone going all holier than thou when a player gives some back after they've been giving him dogs abuse all game. I think we're all big enough to take it

I think we are big enough to take it, but we are allowed to respond to his criticism in the same way that he responded to ours.  It's not like we have gone on the BBC forum is it?

[Simon Pieman]

All well and good Paul, but on this evidence there will be fuck all done about improving the programme.

[pauld]

I think we are big enough to take it, but we are allowed to respond to his criticism in the same way that he responded to ours.  It's not like we have gone on the BBC forum is it?

Yeah, fair do's. I just don't get this "Ooh, you're not allowed to have a go at the fans" like we're all delicate little flowers. We're not, we're all cunts too, that's why we're on here

[ReadingRed]

I wouldn't take it to heart mate....those on here who slag off Vic really are a bunch of cunts.

Dead right there Reg.. I  can't think of a sadder way to spend Saturday afternoon than half-listening to a commentary waiting with fingers poised over my keyboard waiting for a com to make a mistake.

I listened on World yesterday and found the balance of description of the game and TMS-style banter during quiet periods and stoppages about right - listen to today's Radio 5 commentaries and you'll get about the same. OK, it's all about opinions, but personally I find Vic's passion for the game far preferable and easier to listen to than Ed Hadwin's slightly dull presentation. It was entertaining and I got a good feel for what was going on, from both of the team.

Yes, Vic has a habit of sounding over-excited when the opposition score, and Neil's admitted that above, but anyone who was listening yesterday would have heard Vic and Neil immediately decribe exactly how Scannell was given too much time to turn and shoot, where he was in the box and who he was being marked by, all in the space of about 5 seconds. I doubt if anyone on here could come close to that, certainly not me. Checking other people's reports from the game, they described all three goals perfectly, which is what you want from a commentary team.

Maybe Neil shouldn't have risen to the bait, but to be fair to him he was defending someone without whose broadcasting expertise there'd have been no commentary at all yesterday, if I know anything about ISDN links.

[The_Plagiarist]

what the fuck is TMS you cunt??

[Berniman]

Course we're all cunts, but that doesn't mean to say that Neil/Vic aren't cunts too, which is what his original post was complaining about.  It looks like Neil just takes life a little too seriously!

Bless, maybe he needs to change his saturday afternoon hobby!

[jonny72]

None of which makes his rant any better, but I think expecting him to be a representative of the BBC is a bit harsh.

Whether he's paid or not he's still a representative of the BBC. Personally I don't give a fuck what he says but I'm pretty sure not everyone will view it that way. I don't think anyone has said he's not allowed to have a go either as most people here give as good as they get, more that a moment of madness (possibly while nursing a hangover) could come back to haunt him if he wants to carry on doing it.

[jonny72]

what the fuck is TMS you cunt??

SMS for dyslexics?

[flammableBen]

what the fuck is TMS you cunt??

Isn't it the old freeview music channel?

[Berniman]

Dead right there Reg.. I  can't think of a sadder way to spend Saturday afternoon than half-listening to a commentary waiting with fingers poised over my keyboard waiting for a com to make a mistake.

I listened on World yesterday and found the balance of description of the game and TMS-style banter during quiet periods and stoppages about right - listen to today's Radio 5 commentaries and you'll get about the same. OK, it's all about opinions, but personally I find Vic's passion for the game far preferable and easier to listen to than Ed Hadwin's slightly dull presentation. It was entertaining and I got a good feel for what was going on, from both of the team.

Yes, Vic has a habit of sounding over-excited when the opposition score, and Neil's admitted that above, but anyone who was listening yesterday would have heard Vic and Neil immediately decribe exactly how Scannell was given too much time to turn and shoot, where he was in the box and who he was being marked by, all in the space of about 5 seconds. I doubt if anyone on here could come close to that, certainly not me. Checking other people's reports from the game, they described all three goals perfectly, which is what you want from a commentary team.

Maybe Neil shouldn't have risen to the bait, but to be fair to him he was defending someone without whose broadcasting expertise there'd have been no commentary at all yesterday, if I know anything about ISDN links.

I don't think anyone really moaned about the ISDN thing, but when a build up to goal consists of "and it's in the back of the net" when we haven't even got a clue that the ball is in play then there is a problem.  This happen for the 2 broadcasted goals yesterday.

[yeo]

I think the commentary is fine and thought matey was fine as well.

Stick that in your moany fucking pipes!

[Berniman]

Yeo is officially a cunt