Paranormal Activity

[Talk Talk]

so going back to my previous point...

if the universe itself materialised out of nothing and is continuing to grow into that nothing then that nothing does not exist and therefore it is not possible for the universe to be growing into it but it is.

i know that there is an infinate part of the universe that doesn't exist at this very moment in time but it soon will.

if this 'nothing' is completely unquatifiable then it is both equally possible and not possible that something 'else' is existing in that 'void' as we are to understand it.

if that void does have something else and our universe is inordinately close to growing into the void then is it not entirely possible that the void is inversely growing into the universe and the 'paranormal' is phenomena that we are experiencing in the cross over between the two... whatevers?

Nobody knows where the universe came from. We have no knowledge of it and our instrumentation can only measure back so far (in terms of big bang induced background radiation, astronomy of very ancient stars etc). So saying that it came from "nothing" is an assumption, not fact. Current models suggest that the universe is expanding but thirty years ago that model was based on a universe that cyclically expanded then contracted.

The bottom line is that we cannot see out to the edge of universe. All we know about is what is close to that edge. Just like the end of the earth two thousand years ago, we can only theorise until our measurements improve.

[Simon Pieman]

I'm speechless.

There was once a time that such discussions would flourish in the TEF. Who the fuck let this ignorant troll in?

Perhaps the TEF is experiencing sleep paralysis.

[Talk Talk]

I'm speechless.

There was once a time that such discussions would flourish in the TEF. Who the fuck let this ignorant troll in?

Abuse does not become you. Try being keyboardless.

[Kinky Tom]

Just like the end of the earth two thousand years ago, we can only theorise until our measurements improve.

and surely there you've blown your whole argument to pieces?

i neither believe or disbelieve in paranormal activity - i once had an experience that was pretty chilling but it could have been anything.

but you've just said we can only theorise until our measurements improve - who's to say that one day measurements will not show the 'paranormal' to exit?

no matter what you say now the above statement nullifies it

[Samdy Gray]

Nobody knows where the universe came from. We have no knowledge of it and our instrumentation can only measure back so far (in terms of big bang induced background radiation, astronomy of very ancient stars etc). So saying that it came from "nothing" is an assumption, not fact. Current models suggest that the universe is expanding but thirty years ago that model was based on a universe that cyclically expanded then contracted.

The bottom line is that we cannot see out to the edge of universe. All we know about is what is close to that edge. Just like the end of the earth two thousand years ago, we can only theorise until our measurements improve.

Hang on a minute. If the paranormal can't be proved, it's bullshit. But if the existence of the universe can't be proved, it's ok because it will in years to come?

[flammableBen]

I don't think Talk Talk really understands science, it's good he's so enthusiastic about it though.

[BANGKOK RED]

I don't think Talk Talk really understands science, it's good he's so enthusiastic about it though.

I think he's just being a drunken troll, that's my theory anyway.

the Derren Brown 'ghost busting' thingamy is cool.

[Fred Elliot]

I think he's just being a drunken troll, that's my theory anyway.

Completely agree, I tried to tell him last night to put the can down and walk away from the PC but he has just continued to make even more of a dick of himself.

I am more annoyed with myself for rising to it and getting annoyed by it

[Talk Talk]

and surely there you've blown your whole argument to pieces?

i neither believe or disbelieve in paranormal activity - i once had an experience that was pretty chilling but it could have been anything.

but you've just said we can only theorise until our measurements improve - who's to say that one day measurements will not show the 'paranormal' to exit?

no matter what you say now the above statement nullifies it

No it doesn't at all. Being hit by lightning has a very real physical effect. Five hundred years ago you might not have had a voltmeter or ammeter to measure the electricity (or even knew what it was) but you could tell from the charred flesh that you had experience it. Being breathed on by a ghost or some other twaddle is not proof. There is no physical evidence for it.

I don't think Talk Talk really understands science, it's good he's so enthusiastic about it though.

Patronising quote of the year young Benjamin  

[Talk Talk]

Completely agree, I tried to tell him last night to put the can down and walk away from the PC but he has just continued to make even more of a dick of himself.

I am more annoyed with myself for rising to it and getting annoyed by it

Take a film of your ghost then. Put a recording thermometer in the room. Prove it.

You won't. You can't.

[Talk Talk]

Hang on a minute. If the paranormal can't be proved, it's bullshit. But if the existence of the universe can't be proved, it's ok because it will in years to come?

Erm, the existence of the universe is proven in my experience. It's kinda like all around me? I can tell because all of my senses tell me so.

[Simon Pieman]

I think he's just being a drunken troll, that's my theory anyway.

the Derren Brown 'ghost busting' thingamy is cool.

I quite like the one about Joe Power (the medium). You start off thinking he's all kinds of awesome.

[leefer]

That's what Leefer has been saying though. He's not saying 'ghosts exist and in a few years time science will prove that'. More like there is an already occurring phenomenon which will be explained by science in a few years time, then possibly harnessed for modern living. Like electricity was back in the day.

 

Correct....it is a good posability that the Ghost of Queen Victoria will be looking amused in future years......and we will harness that,maybe put her in Maddam Tussauds greeting people......and no one will think it strange

[Samdy Gray]

Erm, the existence of the universe is proven in my experience. It's kinda like all around me? I can tell because all of my senses tell me so.

But abiding by holy TalkTalk's rules and laws of all things every man on earth should take as gospel truth; if you can't prove how or why it exists, then it doesn't.

[Simon Pieman]

But abiding by holy TalkTalk's rules and laws of all things every man on earth should take as gospel truth; if you can't prove how or why it exists, then it doesn't.

I've got a video camera and a thermometer. What do I do next?

Actually don't answer that.