Paranormal Activity

[pauld]

fairies at the bottom of the garden can either be physically real or not.

Ah, come on. Don't start having a go at the fairies. That's going too far.

[Chubbs]

The real physical universe is composed of matter and energy. If that is the case then you can detect and measure both of them. Objects or forces (the application of energy) do not materialise out of nothing and neither do they disappear into thin air. We all know this from our everyday experience.

This is all about truth. Truth is reality. The burden of proof lies with the person who proposes a theory. I refer you back to my invisible spider sat on my head post. I can rant and rave about how much I BELIEVE that it is there, but until I can prove with physical evidence in the form of detection or measurement then I have no right to insist that anybody else should agree with me.

Wobbly tables lifted up by the knees of conmen in darkened rooms, half awake dream residue ghosts, lights in the sky and fairies at the bottom of the garden can either be physically real or not. If they are then there is a rational real explanation. If not then they must be in the individual's mind.

The truth hurts and people do not like having their delusions blown away. If you can't handle it then I suggest that you seek professional mental help.

haha,

you do make me laugh, i've never witnessed someone so hell bent on trying to put their point accross.

We get it Talk Talk, you dont believe in it, why does it get to you some much that some people do?

[Talk Talk]

Ah, come on. Don't start having a go at the fairies. That's going too far.

 

[Talk Talk]

haha,

you do make me laugh, i've never witnessed someone so hell bent on trying to put their point accross.

We get it Talk Talk, you dont believe in it, why does it get to you some much that some people do?

It is not a question of beleving in it or not. The point is that it is all fictional, non-existant and a waste of human capacity. If people stopped believing in god for example then they could use their brains to make their own rational decisions about improving their lives and the world based on universally preferable behavior (i.e. common morality).

I feel strongly about it because it is just such a waste.

[flammableBen]

common morality is an interesting choice of words Talk Talk, do you think there's some sort of binding absolute moral right which we should all abide too?

[Gethimout]

I'm open to all that is the 'paranormal'. I feel that there must be more to our life on earth. Where we go after we die is unknown, but i think you've got to be very small minded to think that there isn't anything else.

Unfortunately my sister passed away just over three years ago. I had a very good friend of mine who about 6 months or so later went to see Psychic. She got in contact with me a day or so after asking to meet up as soon as possible as she had some information to give me.

It turned out that during the meeting with the physic. A girl had got in contact and the Psychic asked whether she knew someone that had died in an accident recently. (My friend didn't let on her name) I've listened to the tape and it freaked me the fuck out big time. I haven't got the exact dialogue on me but it went a bit like this.

Psychic: Do you know someone that has died recently?
Girl: Yes i know of someone
Psychic: She's saying something about a bridge
Girl: I think i have an idea who you're on about
Psychic: She's coming across as a young girl and wants to get a message across
Girl: Ummm.. Ok
Psychic: I'm getting some sort of name beginning with a C.... Char..... Charlie?
Girl: I think the name you maybe looking for is Charlotte?
Psychic: Yes.. i'm getting that now. Charlotte wants to say to she's ok and is peaceful.

Now i don't believe in stuff like this. But this friend of mine helped me through all the shit i had on my plate at the time. My friend met my sister once before she passed but that was a way of getting a message me perhaps? I went to see a Psychic about a month or so after and got fuck all in the way of communication with 'the other side'.

Just find it strange that the Psychic had no way of knowing my sister and it wasn’t related in any way, shape or form to my friend!

[flammableBen]

Haha. well played sir.

I'm not getting whooshed in this thread.

[Arriba]

if psychics talk to dead people,how come they can't even get their names right without prompting from those who sit there hoping to hear from dead folk?

[normy]

OK then, we will have to agree to disagree. I would like to ask one question for your views before I give up on this as it's going nowhere.

I stated, as I would in a Court of Law if questioned under oath, that I witnessed a table tilt, and there was no human physical agency doing it, against the laws of physics.  I am a trained scientist myself and by no means gullible. Three more witnesses were there and would testify too.

As I understand it, the possibilities are:

(1) I have lied to you with intention to deceive
(2) We were all deceived, because we were not intelligent enough to realise we were touching the table, and fooled ourselves
(3) It was a real physical phenomenon, paranormal compared to present knowledge.
(4) It could not have happpened, therefore did not, no need to even look at it.
(5) Other I cant think of.

Select which statements fit your own views.

[Ginginho]

From Phoenix Nights

[Gethimout]

Arriba, i understand where you're coming from but the way i see it. For someone to have no relations to this friend of mine to have a message sent to her is, for me, weird!

I can totally understand why people don't believe but i'm under the view that everything happens for a reason. Why? I just don'y know!

[Arriba]

my point wasn't in direct reference to your post.
just a general point.
were you the lad who lost his sister from the bridge over the a419?
i remember someone posting about it at the time,but forget who made that post.

[flammableBen]

OK then, we will have to agree to disagree. I would like to ask one question for your views before I give up on this as it's going nowhere.

I stated, as I would in a Court of Law if questioned under oath, that I witnessed a table tilt, and there was no human physical agency doing it, against the laws of physics.  I am a trained scientist myself and by no means gullible. Three more witnesses were there and would testify too.

As I understand it, the possibilities are:

(1) I have lied to you with intention to deceive
(2) We were all deceived, because we were not intelligent enough to realise we were touching the table, and fooled ourselves
(3) It was a real physical phenomenon, paranormal compared to present knowledge.
(4) It could not have happpened, therefore did not, no need to even look at it.
(5) Other I cant think of.

Select which statements fit your own views.

I think the idea that "something happened that I don't understand" equals "something happened that nobody can explain in current established physical terms, must be something spooky" is not only incredibly arrogant, but incredibly closed minded.

Maybe the table moved (is that what you're saying happened? you were sat around a table and it tilted slightly?), maybe you'd had too many bevys, maybe you imagined it, but you're only applying a spritual explanation too it because that's what you're looking for.

I've read Lord of the Rings too many times, I could take it as evidence that there was somebody with some sort of invisibility ring wandering around the room and fucking about with you.

Did you try and repeat the experiment and get the same thing to happen again, recreate the exact situation in which the 'table tilt' happened? If not it's not exactly scientific.

[flammableBen]

Arriba, i understand where you're coming from but the way i see it. For someone to have no relations to this friend of mine to have a message sent to her is, for me, weird!

I can totally understand why people don't believe but i'm under the view that everything happens for a reason. Why? I just don'y know!

I honestly thought you were trolling the thread, that seems like a complete textbook example of cold reading.

[The_Plagiarist]

This thread is a waste of bandwidth. Have you ever tried telling one of the god squad that god isn't real? good fun but waste of time.

Basically if anyone believes this lights in the sky ghosts in the attic stuff fair enough, just don't expect to be taken seriously by anyone except religious nutters or cult members.

If I did a bit of research I would prove that most people who see ghosts and aliens have empty lives.

The closest tangible thing to religion which exists and is provable is following a football club. The town end is my chapel!!