Poker

[BANGKOK RED]

I think that I could do well out of this.

Just played one hand (I folded early) where 4 people were raising each other because they had a flush, whilst there were 4 of the same suit face up on the board.

I hope to take advantage and profit from other peoples stupidity.

[BANGKOK RED]

Paying to see the flop with a weak hand is more often than not suicide but you'll realise that yourself pretty quickly.

Yerrrr

I strayed from my own observations and started thinking "well, it's only $10 for a butchers"

I found myself back where I started pretty quickly.

[jonny72]

I strayed from my own observations and started thinking "well, it's only $10 for a butchers"

It gets worse when the flop is half decent for you, so you put a bit more in then a bit more and before you know it you've put shit loads in and ended up with a pretty weak hand that will most likely loose. It's normally just a waste of chips which ends up costing you when you get a decent hand as you don't have so many to double up on.

Give some tournaments a go if you haven't already. A cheap way to play for money with the potential of winning big.

[BANGKOK RED]

Not playing for money yet (at least not my own.)

Can't afford to gamble/lose.

I'll have a butchers at the play money tournaments for now though.

[BANGKOK RED]

Am I right in thinking that raising high before the flop is well risky, even with AA?

[Barry Scott]

Am I right in thinking that raising high before the flop is well risky, even with AA?

No that's the sensible play. Under the gun (after the Big Blind) you can just call, but you're hoping for a raise. You don't want to keep idiots in the hand or you're asking to have them cracked. The thing is though, you will always get bad beats, it's just whether you deserved them or not and not raising and small raises with a strong hand pre-flop is often asking for chasers. (BWB will tell you right though.)

T'other night me and my sister were in the Casino and she raises mid position with aces, and gets a caller from around the button. Flop comes down T9X and she bets 2/3 pot and gets called. Turn comes down J. She pushes and gets a caller. He turns over K7 and catches he catches an 8 on the river. She played it right but he was a twat. Nothing you can do.

Edit: To clarify, pre flop with aces i was referring to, not preflop in general.

[jonny72]

Maybe we should run a regular private tournament on one of the poker sites for TEF members.

Or was that done before? Or am I thinking of another forum?

[Barry Scott]

Used to happen on thisis, using play money on pokerroom.com. That was under my previous username though!

[BANGKOK RED]

I didn't say what I meant to say.

I am at a table and everybody is constantly raising each other before the flop, of course 1 or 2 might have had a top hand but why are 6 or 7 doing this?

I can have JJ, or similar, yet find myself folding because all the table are just constantly raising and I don't want to get involved in the raise-fest.

I didn't mean top say anybody had AA, rather that they just seem to be playing recklessly no matter how good the hand.

[BANGKOK RED]

I didn't say what I meant to say.

I am at a table and everybody is constantly raising each other before the flop, of course 1 or 2 might have had a top hand but why are 6 or 7 doing this?

I can have JJ, or similar, yet find myself folding because all the table are just constantly raising and I don't want to get involved in the raise-fest.

I didn't mean to say anybody had AA, rather that they just seem to be playing recklessly no matter how good the hand.

[Barry Scott]

I didn't say what I meant to say.

I am at a table and everybody is constantly raising each other before the flop, of course 1 or 2 might have had a top hand but why are 6 or 7 doing this?

I can have JJ, or similar, yet find myself folding because all the table are just constantly raising and I don't want to get involved in the raise-fest.

I didn't mean top say anybody had AA, rather that they just seem to be playing recklessly no matter how good the hand.

That's play money mate. You don't learn a massive amount about poker at demo level in my opinion because you get these situation where you can raise with aces, then get 2 more raises and be 5 way to the flop with everyone all in. Just doesn't happen that often for real money and if it does happen everyone has a monster, but it still shouldn't have happened imo...

You also used to get the rather pathetic situation of laps around the table on min-raises at no limit. Like yeah, that'll scare people out the hand. If you're gonna raise i've always followed Brunson's lead and that is make a raise that makes them fear for their chips.

[jonny72]

I can have JJ, or similar, yet find myself folding because all the table are just constantly raising and I don't want to get involved in the raise-fest.

JJ isn't as strong as you think it is at first, especially when playing on a 10 seat table. Chances are high that a few players will have an A, K, Q and hit a pair at some point. So it's quite possible you're being out bid by better hands.

[BANGKOK RED]

I suspected as much.

I am awaiting confirmation of a small free bankroll to play with, until then I'm on the play money.

I am aware of casino bagging but at the moment I am cannot use UK bookies because of a wee problem with ID verification at the address that UK I have given. It is where I 'live', only not for quite a while. in the meantime I am stuck with US and Maltese bookies that I can't even be confident that I will be paid any winnings.

It's all about getting in the practice though for when I am able to play properly. I love a TEF tournament, only the time zone could be an obstacle.

[BANGKOK RED]

JJ isn't as strong as you think it is at first, especially when playing on a 10 seat table. Chances are high that a few players will have an A, K, Q and hit a pair at some point. So it's quite possible you're being out bid by better hands.

I know.

But it seems a bit silly to me to not even see the flop on such a hand.

[BANGKOK RED]

And I am not being outbid by a better hand.

The winner often has a lesser pair or two pairs that they won on the river.