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« Reply #39045 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 12:46:18 »

There's a difference between reported rapes, and rapes the CPS take to trial.

https://victimscommissioner.org.uk/news/the-distressing-truth-is-that-if-you-are-raped-in-britain-today-your-chances-of-seeing-justice-are-slim/

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For victims, reporting rape is effectively a lottery and the odds are rarely in your favour. In the year to December 2021, there were 67,125 rape offences recorded Ė an all-time high. Yet the number of completed rape prosecutions plummeted from 5,190 in 2016-17 to just 2,409 in 2020-21. The numbers of convictions almost halved (2,689 in 2016/17 compared to 1,409 in 2020/21). Only 5% of rapes that were given an outcome by the police in the year ending December 2021 resulted in a charge.
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« Reply #39046 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 12:55:07 »

Iím sorry, but whatever the stats and numbers say everybody, however disgusting, is entitled to due process.

If anybody thinks thatís not the case, at least have the balls to say so.
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« Reply #39047 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 12:56:02 »

Several years on how an earth would any rape charge be proved. Assuming no CCTV in the room, no witness unless involved and no Doctors records. His word against hers and no Jeremy Kyle lie detector allowed!
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« Reply #39048 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 13:02:14 »

Also, Batch, thereís a world of difference between some poor, individual victim not wanting to report a case of rape and a whole raft of supposed evidence uncovered by a leading newspaper and a TV company with multiple complainants.

Again, just think about the Kevin Spacey case.
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« Reply #39049 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 13:39:02 »

Iím sorry, but whatever the stats and numbers say everybody, however disgusting, is entitled to due process.

If anybody thinks thatís not the case, at least have the balls to say so.

I donít disagree with that sentiment at all. In a better world that due process would enable closure and start the healing process for the majority of victims. The fact is, for that sort of crime in particular, the barriers for proving beyond reasonable doubt are normally unscalable. I donít have an answer to change that, and so the balance now favours the perpetrator.

I suppose I am net more uncomfortable that rapists and sexual abusers are routinely getting away with it, than I am about an obvious creep having his highly privileged public career curtailed by court of public opinion.

Best case, last nights doc saves a would be victim from harm.
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« Reply #39050 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 13:43:24 »

Itís the process that needs to change. Maybe lowering or altering the burden of proof in favour of the victim.

But I think we can all agree that the Ďentertainmentí environment as a whole seems to be seething with weirdos.
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« Reply #39051 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 14:17:26 »

Itís the process that needs to change. Maybe lowering or altering the burden of proof in favour of the victim.

But I think we can all agree that the Ďentertainmentí environment as a whole seems to be seething with weirdos.

The burden of proof in criminal cases is exactly where it needs to be- beyond a reasonable doubt.

Those convicted of criminal charges can go to prison, in the worst cases, for the rest of their lives.

Would you want to stand in court facing a charge with the possibility of prison time on the strength of a verdict brought because  it was possibly true that you did it?
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« Reply #39052 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 15:26:32 »

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Iím sorry, but whatever the stats and numbers say everybody, however disgusting, is entitled to due process.

yes they do

rape though is extremely difficult to prove, and I don't really see an obvious answer in changing it.
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« Reply #39053 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 16:00:01 »

Itís a very difficult subject, as itís so difficult to prove, and while we donít want to see people who are the victim of rape go without justice, itís just as important to make sure people arenít convicted with rape if they didnít rape anybody. Both miscarriages of justice lead to somebodyís life being ruined.
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« Reply #39054 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 16:13:41 »

Switching it up here... I am mildly annoyed by fans wearing 'vintage' shirts from an era before they were a fan. 20 somethings rocking the Spall Swindon shirt for example. Just bugs me. Can't say why! I feel like a shirt should say something about your fandom, rather like wearing a band tee from a specific gig. I want to know that if someone is rocking a black and blue Mizuno shirt we could shoot the shit about Ty Gooden and not be on the receiving end of a blank stare. Ultra vintage Toffs style shirts are maybe an exception..!
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« Reply #39055 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 16:21:59 »

I want to know that if someone is rocking a black and blue Mizuno shirt we could shoot the shit about Ty Gooden and not be on the receiving end of a blank stare.

I have one and I could....however the top wasn't mine in the 90s as I was a kid so I've still bought it after the fact.
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« Reply #39056 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 16:25:42 »

Any Swindon shirt is better than a Liverpool or Man Utd one😄
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« Reply #39057 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 16:43:22 »

The burden of proof in criminal cases is exactly where it needs to be- beyond a reasonable doubt.

Those convicted of criminal charges can go to prison, in the worst cases, for the rest of their lives.

Would you want to stand in court facing a charge with the possibility of prison time on the strength of a verdict brought because  it was possibly true that you did it?

Which is why there is no death penalty. Is it better to execute 100 people knowing you may have killed one innocent? Or not execute anyone and possibly let free one guilty? The IRA six would all be dead now as would others who committed heinous crimes if they had been despatched. Once dead any appeal or posthumous pardon is useless. Technology has convicted criminals who thought theyíd gotten away with things but it has also pardoned some who spent a long time in prison.
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« Reply #39058 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 17:07:38 »

Which is why there is no death penalty. Is it better to execute 100 people knowing you may have killed one innocent? Or not execute anyone and possibly let free one guilty? The IRA six would all be dead now as would others who committed heinous crimes if they had been despatched. Once dead any appeal or posthumous pardon is useless. Technology has convicted criminals who thought theyíd gotten away with things but it has also pardoned some who spent a long time in prison.

Is it better that 100 guilty go free or 100 innocent are jailed so long as the guilty are jailed also?

I would rather the guilty were free than an innocent was jailed.

The system ain't perfect I know.....
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« Reply #39059 on: Sunday, September 17, 2023, 19:12:45 »

On the stfc YouTube Channel if you click to go to the channel from a different video it takes you to someones random unofficial page.
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