The PM Debates

[herthab]

whatever.

Theres plenty of sticks to beat the tories with. Not being different enough from labour being the main one as you mention

Having a pop for being posh when their main competition is almost as bad in that respect is a bit dumb. If you want people to think you're not a bit thick you might want to stop posting things that sound a bit thick. 

I said he came across as an upper-class, slimy, insincere twat.

Please tell me which point you disagreed on.

[Colin Todd]

I dont particually. My point was the whole political class is little different across the major parties therefore its pointless to single the tories or cameron out for it.

[herthab]

I dont particually. My point was the whole political class is little different across the major parties therefore its pointless to single the tories or cameron out for it.

But I didn't, did I? I stated how he came across. Not many people would accuse Brown of coming across as upper-class, or particulary slimy.

Insincere and twat obviously. He's a politician after all.

[Summerof69]

Not many people would accuse Brown of coming across as upper-class, or particulary slimy.

The 'real' PM Mandelson does that for Labour. A complete utter devious slimeball of the highest order, having been kicked out of Goverment twice, only to come back as a Lord.

[pauld]

No. The one when Pammy woke to find Bobby in the shower and realised it had all been a dream....

I'd be quite keen on Alan NOT re-enacting any scenes that involve him being in the shower, if it's all the same to you

[donkey]

Why all the apathy for Cameron? Can't do any worse than that fat Scottish twat who is slowly ruining our Country. Remember, the current Prime Minister Gordon Brown was not even elected in the first place!

He was, by his constituency, as was Blair.  The country does not and has never voted directly for the Prime Minister.

[sheepshagger]

Thats a hard argument to make Donkey.....

We was elected to a constituency sure - but he was not voted by the people for PM...

Blair was voted for by people in the knowledge that he was the party leader and therefore would become PM...

Brown was shoe horned in because Blair wanted to fuck off and milk the appearance money for all it was worth...

I voted Labour at the last election, but I voted mainly for Blair because I (like a lot of others) got sucked in by him...

I can absolutely 100% say I would never have voted Labour had Brown been in charge....

So for me your argument just doesn't stand up....

[donkey]

Thats a hard argument to make Donkey.....

We was elected to a constituency sure - but he was not voted by the people for PM...

Blair was voted for by people in the knowledge that he was the party leader and therefore would become PM...

Brown was shoe horned in because Blair wanted to fuck off and milk the appearance money for all it was worth...

I voted Labour at the last election, but I voted mainly for Blair because I (like a lot of others) got sucked in by him...

I can absolutely 100% say I would never have voted Labour had Brown been in charge....

So for me your argument just doesn't stand up....

I take your point, and to many who vote you are right.  However, in a parliamentary democracy, you don't vote for the leader of the country, only your MP.  Not so much an argument, but a statement of fact.

Given all that, if the fact that Cameron is slimey cunt stops people voting tory, then I'm happy. 

[Reg Smeeton]

Thats a hard argument to make Donkey.....

We was elected to a constituency sure - but he was not voted by the people for PM...

Blair was voted for by people in the knowledge that he was the party leader and therefore would become PM...

Brown was shoe horned in because Blair wanted to fuck off and milk the appearance money for all it was worth...

I voted Labour at the last election, but I voted mainly for Blair because I (like a lot of others) got sucked in by him...

I can absolutely 100% say I would never have voted Labour had Brown been in charge....

So for me your argument just doesn't stand up....

He's not arguing just stating fact....you vote for the party, by electing a candidate in your constituency....it's for the party to decide their leader. Usually that person will last the length of a parliament but there are plenty of examples of it not working that way.

[sheepshagger]

I do understand Reg - I am saying that not many people see it like that.

In '97 I voted for Blair - not really the Labour party.

I am now older and wiser and understand politics a lot more.  However not many in the country seem to...

Just take how the Lib Dems have risen in the opinion polls - this is not to do with their policy on immigration, taxation or anything else, it is purely because the public embraced his performance...

Sad really....

[Bogus Dave]

If we start voting for people and not partys we become america.

And no-body wants that

[Ardiles]

For me, one of the more interesting aspects of this election is the prospect of electoral reform.  As jonny72 mentioned a while back, the first past the post (FPTP) system means that were the Tories, Labour and Liberal Democrats to all attract 30% of the popular vote, they would end up with approx 200, 300 and 100 seats respectively...and that's wrong.

If we get a hung parliament, the Liberals will be able to push for electoral reform that would, hopefully, do away with the FPTP system all together.  A proportional representation (PR) system would mean that electors votes would be able to vote for the PM of their choice.  At the moment, the system is too convoluted and opaque - and a big turn off for voters in 'safe' seats such as the one I live in where their votes are effectively worthless.

[sheepshagger]

I agree now - but I knew no better in '97


The sad fact is that most of the population vote for people rather than parties....

[Talk Talk]

I'd be quite keen on Alan NOT re-enacting any scenes that involve him being in the shower, if it's all the same to you

You didn't say that the last time you soaped my bottie crack young man.

[leefer]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/election2010/2939433/Lib-Dem-leader-Nick-Cleggs-on-the-defensive.html

Now i know its the Sun...but its all fact....makes Arthur Daly look like Mother Teresa....not for me thanks.