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« Reply #15 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 13:11:00 » |
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Fuck the group stages. League winners only, no seeding, straight knockout. Like a proper cup competition.
I agree, but the big teams will not agree to that. They cannot make their millions by playing pointless games. The competition ONLY gets interesting once the knockout rounds arrive. |
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« Reply #16 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 13:18:15 » |
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Its the big clubs around Europe that control the format of the Champions League and the other European competitions - UEFA are nothing more than a figure head. If anything we're likely to see more clubs from the big countries qualifying for the Champions League or it becoming a full blown mid-week European league.
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« Reply #17 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 13:29:38 » |
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Like the idea, but worried it could lead to the re-appearence of "PL Abroad" as these games would presumably be at nice "neutral venues" and it then would likely only be a matter of time before it became whichever Emirate fancies paying the most.
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« Reply #18 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 13:30:04 » |
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Many people question why a 4th placed team can enter the "Champions League" - but a team that finished in 7th? At least in the Football League there's an instant guarentee of promotion if you win the P-O's... This will see teams like Aston Villa, Everton, Manchester City struggle to qualify with tricky trips to Turkey, Russia etc
Richard Keys and Co tell us that the Premier League is the best in the world yet the suits want to discuss sexing it up and Americanising the game even further? This will be the jewel in the crown of Sky Sports - Soon enough the Play-Offs will be sold as more important that finishing 1st!
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« Reply #19 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 13:57:39 » |
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Agree about the oddity of finishing 4th being viewed as an achiement these days. All it gets you is play off game with the prize being the groups stages of the CL. Its not even guaranteed.
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« Reply #20 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 15:52:29 » |
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I'm bit of a traditionalist - champions only should have thier own cup competition (EUFA cup), and cup winners (over here the the FA cup) would have a seperate competition (Cup Winners Cup) - non of this qualifying rounds, league, and then knock-out rubbish - just keep it simple.
The way things are going, it could end up like speedway.
Swindon finish top of the league, and then end up "loosing the title" to a team below them in theplay-offs. What's that all about?!
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« Reply #21 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 16:54:15 » |
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Rugby Union is the same as speedway these days too.
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« Reply #22 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 16:57:58 » |
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The way things are going, it could end up like speedway.
Swindon finish top of the league, and then end up "loosing the title" to a team below them in theplay-offs. What's that all about?!
We had that argument from all the managers that finished 3rd and lost in the playoffs when they first started but everyone is used to it now. Everyone knows the rules before the season starts so what's the problem? |
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« Reply #23 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 17:07:26 » |
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The problem for me is the prize. It's not involving promotion nor is it a championship it's merely a qualifying place for a European competition that these "play-off" clubs might not even get in to the megabucks stage.
It's a blatant selling tool for overseas interest in the same vein as the 39th fixture... Saying that I wouldn't be surprised if all of a sudden these Play-Offs were held in China, Australia, the U.S.A, Japan or to the highest bidder.
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« Reply #24 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 17:17:38 » |
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We had that argument from all the managers that finished 3rd and lost in the playoffs when they first started but everyone is used to it now. Everyone knows the rules before the season starts so what's the problem?
At the end of the season, the champions (league winners) should be the team that finished top. If you want to have some sort of play-off, have it for something else! Can you imagine being top of the premier league after 38 games, and not being presented the trophy because you lost in the play-offs to a team 14 points below you? Everyone might be used to it, but to be crowned champions you should finish top of your league. If you want to have some play-offs as well (money making excersise) then someone else could be "play off winners" but the team at the top should remain "champions". |
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« Reply #25 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 17:28:29 » |
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At the end of the season, the champions (league winners) should be the team that finished top. If you want to have some sort of play-off, have it for something else!
Can you imagine being top of the premier league after 38 games, and not being presented the trophy because you lost in the play-offs to a team 14 points below you?
Everyone might be used to it, but to be crowned champions you should finish top of your league. If you want to have some play-offs as well (money making excersise) then someone else could be "play off winners" but the team at the top should remain "champions".
I haven't taken much notice of this, but isn't the proposal for 4 to PO for the 4th CL place? |
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« Reply #26 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 18:41:40 » |
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Yep.
It works in sports like Rugby, the top lot playing off to win, because that sport can be severely impacted during the season by having good players vanish on international duty for half a season. The play off acts as the leveller to ensure there is a chance that the winner is actually not just the team who has no internationals.
It wouldn't work that way in football because we operate the opposite way, league games stopping for international fixtures. The winner at the end of the season was the best team for the season.
I have no issues against the play off per say, but I just have issues with the whole format where teams who haven't won the domestic league qualify anyway. I'd rather the FA Cup winners were given a spot if we have to go down this road, just to make it important again.
Even then, it's not just finishing 4th that is seen as an achievement, clubs would rather finish 15th in the PL than win the FA Cup - nuts.
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« Reply #27 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 18:42:14 » |
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I think it's a great idea. More entertainment. Something to enjoy at the end of the season after yet another borefest of 38 games where Chelski or Manure have won the title with no other real competition. Make the league exciting again because it's been utter shite this season.
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« Reply #28 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 19:05:06 » |
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Football is entertaining and the top flight has never needed to do this in the past when Liverpool won everything etc etc etc so why now? Money.
It won't happen, they're just throwing things out there to see what the reaction is unless they take these proposed Play-Offs abroad.
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« Reply #29 on: Monday, February 15, 2010, 19:07:46 » |
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Everyone might be used to it, but to be crowned champions you should finish top of your league. If you want to have some play-offs as well (money making excersise) then someone else could be "play off winners" but the team at the top should remain "champions".
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