If the games were 85 minutes long...

[Doore]

Good point, then we need something like a laser to speed up the piezoelectric vibrations in the quartz...

You can borrow mine.

[Langers]

But surley if games were 85 mins long, we would still concede goals in the last 5 mins but it would just be from 80-85mins + stopage time instead of 85-90mins + stoppage time.

Prehaps we should end games when we take the lead.

[sonicyouth]

if we played football inside the tardis we'd win

[DV]

Shit me sideways, we concede late goals.

Has someone told Wilson?

[Barry Scott]

Shit me sideways, we concede late goals.

Has someone told Wilson?

Hmm, this is a problem, i hope someone's let him know.

I haven't read the whole thread, because these kind of discussions have no great relevance, unless viewed across the league, so we can see if it is as bad as some think it is.

What i mean is your table at the start iffy is all well and good, but only if you remove goals scored in the last five minutes by us and all other teams.

Also, might be fair to calculate total goals conceded in the last five minutes in the whole football pyramid (PL, CCC, L1 & L2) so far this season, then divide this by total teams and see how badly if at all we are above the average.

[Talk Talk]

Good point, then we need something like a laser to speed up the piezoelectric vibrations in the quartz...

That wouldn't work Reg. Unless it was the lasers used for inertial confinement fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_confinement_fusion) and then the poor old ref would be dispersed into hyperspace as he had all of his molecules disassembled. Not a bad idea considering Saturday's effort.

No, we need to accelerate the County Ground away from Earth at nearly light speed at 85 minutes and bring it back ten minutes later. The ref's watch would stay in the buger van outside the Don Rogers, obviously.

[DV]

Hmm, this is a problem, i hope someone's let him know.

I haven't read the whole thread, because these kind of discussions have no great relevance, unless viewed across the league, so we can see if it is as bad as some think it is.

What i mean is your table at the start iffy is all well and good, but only if you remove goals scored in the last five minutes by us and all other teams.

Also, might be fair to calculate total goals conceded in the last five minutes in the whole football pyramid (PL, CCC, L1 & L2) so far this season, then divide this by total teams and see how badly if at all we are above the average.

If I had to guess i'd say we would be above average.

however, that due to the fact we are in the lead in alot of games and the other teams have nothing to lose and go for it.

A team like Stockport probably dont conceed as many late goals as us - because they game is over for them before the last 10 minutes.

Whilst its a bit of a bastard to blame the strikers - not taking our chances is just as much to blame as anything. We put the game to bed the other team doesnt have anything to play for, they dont bomb forward, we arent under pressure, we dont conceed

[iffy]

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/ptslost.html
In the Premiership, it's very rare for a team to lose once it's taken the lead. Only the bad teams (West Ham, Bolton, Wigan, Hull) give up leads for draws. These team are good at shutting up shop and they tend not to concede in the last 5 minutes.

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D1/ptslost.html
In the Championship, most teams have lost from a winning position only one or two times. Reading are the exception, losing 4 times from a winning position. Championship teams are more likely to give up leads for draws. The worst is Ipswich, who have drawn 8 times after taking the lead, but they're the exception.

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D2/ptslost.html
We have drawn from a winning position 6 times. That's the second highest in our league (after Southampton). 5 of these times the goal we conceded in the last 5 minutes.

F365 call this stat "resolve". Without subscribing to the full Opta database, I'd guess our "resolve" in the last 5 minutes is possibly the worst of all 92 clubs.

I'm sorry this is either i) completely obvious or ii) statistically offensive to those of you who work at the ONS, but it is a fact.

[Reg Smeeton]

 If you compare to a couple of our nearest likely rivals...Millwall and Huddersfield, then Huddersfield have conceded 3 goals in the last 5 mins costing them 3 points....Millwall have conceded 4 goals in the last 5 mins costing them 2 points...in fact in 2 of those games Millwall, scored an equaliser after going behind in the last 5 or added on time.

 It would be fairly easy to research the rest but I can't be arsed....but I'm fairly confident our 9 goals shipped and 10 points lost isn't the norm.

[Batch]

I thought it was a fairly interesting stat, not sure why there was hostility.

Still, no matter. For whatever reason we can't seem to shake it. It happened last year too didn't it. Even with a nearly new team its still happening. Its bizaare.

The question has to be asked is fitness a problem? You'd think they'd have analysed that already.

Is it Timlin has a gypsy curse on him. Clearly not as he didn't even come on v Charlton.

Of course I'm sure the players/manager/coaching staff have analysed it to the n'th degree already!

[nevillew]

Why don't we kick off 5 minutes earlier ?

[Reg Smeeton]

Why don't we kick off 5 minutes earlier ?

It's worth thinking about....nobbling the 4th officials board, so that it shows 0 extra minutes of added on time might work.

[jayohaitchenn]

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/ptslost.html
In the Premiership, it's very rare for a team to lose once it's taken the lead. Only the bad teams (West Ham, Bolton, Wigan, Hull) give up leads for draws. These team are good at shutting up shop and they tend not to concede in the last 5 minutes.

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D1/ptslost.html
In the Championship, most teams have lost from a winning position only one or two times. Reading are the exception, losing 4 times from a winning position. Championship teams are more likely to give up leads for draws. The worst is Ipswich, who have drawn 8 times after taking the lead, but they're the exception.

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D2/ptslost.html
We have drawn from a winning position 6 times. That's the second highest in our league (after Southampton). 5 of these times the goal we conceded in the last 5 minutes.

F365 call this stat "resolve". Without subscribing to the full Opta database, I'd guess our "resolve" in the last 5 minutes is possibly the worst of all 92 clubs.

I'm sorry this is either i) completely obvious or ii) statistically offensive to those of you who work at the ONS, but it is a fact.

If that had have been your opening post I would have agreed with you x

[DV]

FUCK OFF TWAT

[wiggy]

Is it Timlin has a gypsy curse on him. Clearly not as he didn't even come on v Charlton.

There was a player ready to be subbed on just before the goal, but from where I sit in the Arkells I couldn't see who. I bet it was Timlin. Perhaps someone who had a view of the dugout could confirm?