Is it Time?

[Talk Talk]

you get people who take the most stupid risk just to gain a few yards.overtaking, just to then cut infront for what?you catch up again at the next set of lights.it's madness.

Agree completely.

head on smashes are down to this most of the time, and it often takes out the innocent driver doing fuck all wrong on the other side of the road.

Agree again.

i'd ban overtaking completely on normal roads, and prosecute drivers who dont make sufficient progress ie drive to slowly.

Ahhh...now you are getting into the realms of fantasy. It's a lot like what decides what the the speed limit is. How can you have a blanket limit that caters for all road conditions, traffic density, time of day etc? It's all bollocks. Appropriate speed for the circumstances is what it is all about. And that is either a common view (if you take the 85% rule), or it's what you think it is.

I would go with common sense, whether it is overtaking or 'making reasonable progress'. Unfortunately the 5% of idiots in every society tar the majority with the same brush. Target them and then most of us will be happy in our driving.

[Nomoreheroes]

Politely - fuck off and die. Please.

Alternatively dress yourself as a nanny and take up knitting.

xxx

Oh! Didn't expect such a compelling argument against my point of view. Certainly enough to sway me from my thoughts that we should try to improve the national transport infrastructure, be a little greener and improve air quality, preserve resources and move with the times rather than bury our heads in the sand.

[Talk Talk]

Oh! Didn't expect such a compelling argument against my point of view. Certainly enough to sway me from my thoughts that we should try to improve the national transport infrastructure, be a little greener and improve air quality, preserve resources and move with the times rather than bury our heads in the sand.

Who are you to tell the rest of us what to do? What gave you the right to insist that I take public transport to one of my jobs (1.5 hours in the car, 4 hours by train - costing about five times more), start cycling 75 miles to my other job or drive a Toyota Prius instead of what CO2 fire breathing demon nutter bastard that I feel I can pay the tax for?

The compelling argument here is that I live in reality with real restrictions on time and money. You live in a dream world that entails living in the sand. I prefer a house.

[Nomoreheroes]

Who are you to tell the rest of us what to do? What gave you the right to insist that I take public transport to one of my jobs (1.5 hours in the car, 4 hours by train - costing about five times more), start cycling 75 miles to my other job or drive a Toyota Prius instead of what CO2 fire breathing demon nutter bastard that I feel I can pay the tax for?

The compelling argument here is that I live in reality with real restrictions on time and money. You live in a dream world that entails living in the sand. I prefer a house.

I didn't insist on you doing anything. What I said was that there wasnt a one size fits all solution to the problem that leefer brought up. I talked about improving infrastructures, improving public transport and encouraging few drivers on the road. Surely that would help you on your travels that public transport didn't currently provide an adequate alternative to? (Oh, didn't I say something about improving public transport?) As for a Prius over something sporty - Seems to me as if the former would get you to your workplace in the same amount of time. The sporty little number is a cultural thing which has been fed over the years by advertising as a positive, manly, macho thing through linking with wotor sport, speed and power. If we were to change the culture and make cleaner living and more responsible actions as manly and macho, maybe the country and world would be a better place. (Yep, that does sound a bit hippy doesn't it.)

[chalkies_shorts]

When you cut away all the emotional stuff then this is pure Darwinism.

[Talk Talk]

I didn't insist on you doing anything. What I said was that there wasnt a one size fits all solution to the problem that leefer brought up. I talked about improving infrastructures, improving public transport and encouraging few drivers on the road. Surely that would help you on your travels that public transport didn't currently provide an adequate alternative to? (Oh, didn't I say something about improving public transport?) As for a Prius over something sporty - Seems to me as if the former would get you to your workplace in the same amount of time. The sporty little number is a cultural thing which has been fed over the years by advertising as a positive, manly, macho thing through linking with wotor sport, speed and power. If we were to change the culture and make cleaner living and more responsible actions as manly and macho, maybe the country and world would be a better place. (Yep, that does sound a bit hippy doesn't it.)

No, sorry. Don't talk to me about 'changing the culture'. You have ZERO right to even suggest that. Are you the architect of the Matrix or something?  And no, it isn't even remotely hippy. Hippies leave everybody else alone and get on with their own lives, thank you very much.

People are free to decide what they want, framed by their circumstances and abilities. A truly free market would enable the best for everyone.

Sicko controlling dirt bag.

[Arriba]

dont some people need controlling?

stop abusing everyone you dont agree with talk talk.it does you no favours

[Talk Talk]

dont some people need controlling?

stop abusing everyone you dont agree with talk talk.it does you no favours

<shrug>

I don't need any favours. I just want people to stop fucking interfering with other people's lives. It's no wonder I get angry.

[Doore]

i'd ban overtaking completely on normal roads, and prosecute drivers who dont make sufficient progress ie drive to slowly.

Tractors?  I get stuck behind them a lot on my commute - if you ban me from overtaking Ill take about 3 hours to cover 20 miles. 

[chalkies_shorts]

<shrug>

I don't need any favours. I just want people to stop fucking interfering with other people's lives. It's no wonder I get angry.

How the fuck do you propose this. If I go and buy a paper then on the walk there people are interfering with my life - ie by being in my way and walking too slowly. The people in front of me in the queue are interfering with my life. The price of the paper interferes with my life, my kids fucking around interfere with my life, unless you're going to live like a hermit then tuogh shit. Life is unfair - live with it.

[Arriba]

Tractors?  I get stuck behind them a lot on my commute - if you ban me from overtaking Ill take about 3 hours to cover 20 miles. 

tractors would fall in the second part of my post there.if they hold up traffic pull over and let it pass.

[sonicyouth]

how did this thread turn into an argument about free markets and "sicko controlling dirt bags"?

fucking hell.

anyway, most of the bad driving i see around comes from people who have (probably) been driving for years. often with children in their car.

a few weeks ago i was behind an old woman who was driving erratically, swerving all over the place and moving into the middle of the road when there was oncoming traffic - she clearly didn't have a fucking clue where she was or what she was doing and it's a miracle that for the 10 miles i followed her (i was too scared to overtake her) that there wasn't an accident.

[Simon Pieman]

I think youngsters can drive excitably because driving is relatively new to them. If you increase the minimum age you'll only delay when they'll drive like that and not their driving behaviour.

The only way is through education, maybe some sort of course which is a pre-requisite before you receive your license.

[Talk Talk]

how did this thread turn into an argument about free markets and "sicko controlling dirt bags"?

Eco-bollocks attack dog fuelled by Ruddles County 

[Simon Pieman]

tractors would fall in the second part of my post there.if they hold up traffic pull over and let it pass.

It's not always possible and it's not just tractors. You get muppets in cars doing 35mph just because it's dark and there's a little bit of drizzle.

The worst driver I have seen this week slammed the brakes on every time he/she hit some standing water. I decided to back off after it happened a couple of times as it was causing me to do the same and the car was unstable.