Gordon Brown

[sonicyouth]

it's nice that we have our own resident nutjob on here

[leefer]

it's nice that we have our own resident nutjob on here

Ime sorry.

[sonicyouth]

it's okay, i enjoy your posts.

but i'm bored of seeing everyone being called ignorant, blind, closed minded, stupid, blahblahblah because they don't agree with alan.

[Bogus Dave]

Talk Talk makes me feel more confident in my own sanity

[iffy]

No I won't.

Please start expanding your mind and going outside of the box.

Please start THINKING.

You know your argument is in trouble when it descends to crappy management jargon. "Expand my mind" and "think outside the box"? Seriously?

It's like being lectured by David Brent. On a subject about which he knows nothing at all.

[Barry Scott]

He does at times raise some valid points, just probably not in the right manner. The trouble is TalkTalk raises his points with such vitriol that it's hard to read it without having some kind of opposition to his points.

But whatever, i'm completely apathetic and i really couldn't care less about ours or any other government. Plus, my only source of current affairs is the TEF, so i'm not far off as ignorant as they come and actually have no right to have an opinion on something i know fuck all about.

[Nemo]

Ah ok. "Appointed by the Heads of National Governments". You are wrong about being approved by the Parliament, it has absolutely no power whatsoever. So you think that Gordon Brown, Andrea Merkel, Nicholas Sarkozy and the rest of the (quote Juddie - "cunts") career power mad politicians in Europe have your best interests at heart?

Fondlebum Mandelson was a commissioner. Need I say more?

You delude yourself my friend if you think that it is all fine and dandy. The massive concentration of power in Brussels after 1st December is going to affect you more than you think. Way, way more.

No. Cameron - under huge national pressure - repeal the European Communities Act 1972 (as amended) and get us out of this fucking mess. Then the dead soldiers will stop spinning in their graves.

I appreciate arguing with you is as useful as teaching an Iguana the offside rule, but I feel I must correct a few things which are patently wrong in what you say.

Firstly, I don't think that the heads of state have their best interests at heart- few Politicians put anything apart from their own interests first, but the fact is that every single EU state has an elected Head of Government (apart from us, but that's not the EUs fault) who appoints that commissioner, so unless one member state chooses a Commissioner with somewhat nutty views, we're not going to be living in a Fascist state.

Even if one Head of Government did end up being a bit suspect (and some of the Eastern European ones do tend a bit towards the extremes) the parliament does have a vote on the appointment of the commission and HAS used this in the past to get those with unusual views removed- I can't remember his name but there was an Italian chap with some interesting views on Homosexuality that was blocked.

I'm not an Europhile or anything like that Alan, but some of the stuff you come out with is plain wrong.

[Talk Talk]

He does at times raise some valid points, just probably not in the right manner. The trouble is TalkTalk raises his points with such vitriol that it's hard to read it without having some kind of opposition to his points.

The most perceptive and intelligent comment from the last dozen posts. thank you Barry.

'Nutjob', 'insane', 'David Brent', 'knows nothing at all'. Yep, carry on, it is water off a duck's back.

Barry is right, I am vitriolic because so many people are blind and have closed minds on what is going on in the world and it drives me nuts. Or insane. Or whatever you want to call me. Most people have been brainwashed to accept their lot (re. that is what state schools are there for) and not to dare think beyond the status quo - and we all get shafted up the arse by government/those in power because of it. Worse still, if you voice an opinion that is outside of the acceptable mainstream then the natural instinct of the brainwashed is to attack the attacker.

We cannot continue to live like this. Self destruction is only a few years away.

Meh.

The only way this can change is through philosophy, reason and evidence. Not 'democracy'. Not politics. Not through any adjustment to the current system because it is fucked beyond hope.

Nut job. Yep. I will happily take that.

[sonicyouth]

i'm happy with my lot.

i don't want to listen to you telling me otherwise.

[Bennett]

you only have to read it here

[Talk Talk]

I appreciate arguing with you is as useful as teaching an Iguana the offside rule, but I feel I must correct a few things which are patently wrong in what you say.

I thought it was an innate facet of reptiles that they instinctively knew what the offside rule was? See you are wrong already. :-p

Nemo, with respect you seem to believe that there is some wonderful thing called 'democracy' at play in Britain and Europe that ensures that the elected 'representatives' pass legislation that reflects the wishes of the majority of the countries/super state.

Let me ask you a few questions.

- How many of the 3,000 odd laws that have been introduced in this country in the last ten years were you consulted on, agreed to and were happy with?
- How many of the EU commissioners did you actually vote into power?
- Were you ever asked if you wanted to be part of a European super state (as opposed to membership of a European trading association)?
- Did you personally agree or were ever consulted about 85% of the laws that apply in this country are now generated in a foreign country?
- Did you support soldiers going into Iraq or Afghanistan or were you ever asked?
- If it is ok for this country to invade Iraq with paid murderers (for that is what our soldiers really are), is it  ok for me to pay a Mafia hit man to come round your house and murder you? If not, why not?
- If it is fine for MPs and MEPs to take money from you and I under threat of prison (aka taxes) and spend it on themselves without fear of retribution, why can I not go round their (expensive) houses and at the point of a gun insist that they give me money to clear out my moat/install a new kitchen/pay for my brother to run my affairs? If not, why not?

[Samdy Gray]

You have to be a cunt to want to be in any position of power over others.

Didn't you stand as a local councillor a few years ago?

[Talk Talk]

Didn't you stand as a local councillor a few years ago?

No, as an independent MP for South Swindon. I got 193 votes.

Going through that experience made me realise how corrupt and self obsessed politicians are and pushed me in the direction of thinking that I now have.

So no, I'm not a hypocrite Sam.

[Nemo]

At least you didn't come last Alan.

[Talk Talk]

At least you didn't come last Alan.

 

I stood on a platform of having no policies whatsoever (and I got laughed at by the LabLibCon candidates), my aim was to represent the electorate through listening to what they wanted and putting those desires forward in parliament. Which is what I thought democracy should be about?

What I learned is that the current major parties have so much money and want to preserve their positions/troughing/status quo so much that the chances of anybody outside the system having one iota of success are remote. The 'electorate' are so disenchanted with politicians - and so they should be - we have little effect on what they decide. Europe is just a bigger and more powerful/richer instance. And hence more attractive to the worst in society.

I'm through with it. But standing was a great eye opener and learning experience. Nope, voting makes no difference, they are all the same. Labour, Liberal, Conservative, UKIP, even the BNP. All in it for themselves. They do not represent us or even care about us. One day in the not too distant future we will all realise that we don't need them in any shape or form and they will be gone. Not in my life time though.