Swindon Town FC vs Wycombe Wanderers FC Official Matchday Thread

[DV]

He's bought in replacements though.

Tope, Hutchinson and Revell - ok only on loan but its not like we've still only got Billy Paynter as a striker.

The problem is the quality coming in isnt a patch on the out going quality.

[Arriba]

it's being done on the cheap when we have a mega rich board.
should chelsea,man u all be self sufficient?
self sufficeint is boring and i want more.i expect more from a board with the money ours has.they chose to buy stfc so throw some fucking dosh at it i say.

[flammableBen]

I did go through a stage of thinking self sufficient was going to be boring, but I've changed my mind again. I think the signings of promising fairly unknown players, or youth rejects from above is exciting because although there's that excitement that they might turn into something brililant, you don't really have the expectations so the potential disappointment is lower. Splashing out on a player from a club at a similar level who's proven has more initial excitement but comes with a bit too much expectations.

In conclusion we should never sign anybody that I've heard of.

On the Chelsea, Man U, examples I think it's a bit different. These are clubs with another level worth of assets. Their merchandising and telly revenue along with branding worth must put the business value of those clubs at hundrends of thousands, if not a million times that of STFC.

In the case of Man U that means they can afford to be in huge amounts of debt, at the moment. Chelsea's situation is a bit more precarious, but they still must have more money coming through the club in a week in business than we do in years.

I reckon if you scaled down the ManU overdraft in terms of business sizes then we might manage about 10grand max. If you did the same with the Chelsea sugar daddy model then a couple of 100grand a year. Maybe more if you want to push it. But do we? What happens to Chelsea if Abramovich get's knocked of by the KGB? Scale that down and to Swindon's level and it's not a lot of money coming in from Fitton that we become a bit too reliant on them.

If the investment grows the club so it becomes sustainable through it being invested then that's a good sort of throwing money in. Which I guess sort of shows through in Fitton's attitude to signing players, they have to have the potential to be sold on for more, it's nice to be on the same page as the chairman.

I'm waffling like a waffle machine and not really sure what I was getting at.

I guess that however much I'm thankful to Fitton and co for sorting out the club and am pretty happy on them doing a good job so far, I want the club to move away from relying on the charity of investors. I think that football in the lower leagues is moving in this direction anyway, and it's something which will work it's way up the divisions. Hopefully we've got a bit of a head start.

If it means that a football club's success starts reflecting the support and the town they represent then I'm not sure that's something I'm really against. Unless there's a change of attitude around Swindon then I'm not sure it's going to be brilliant for the mighty town.

[Saxondale]

Like every other club in this country live beyond our means is that what your saying?  

Im happy with a club who are trying to balance the money coming in with that going out.  There will be a major failure again in a club in this country and I rather still have a club around to support than bemoan the fact that yet another board have cut and run leaving the only constant (us) desperately hoping we still have a club to support.

Yes you just want one player for quarter of a million and all the extra costs (wages, signing on fees, agents fees etc etc) but frankly that sort of thing doesnt work with the way the club needs to balance its books.  Its not as if they haven't spent any money.  Its not a charity concern.

If you or I won 10 million on the lottery we may put 1m to buy that player and support his costs for the year and expect only lifetime season tickets for our troubles.  Businessmen dont.

Same old arguments over and over again.  Short termism Vs Sensible long term running of a club within its means.

[Simon Pieman]

If there was a decent goalscorer available who wanted to come to Swindon who had a price tag of £250k we'd have him by now.

I said a couple of months back we'd need to compromise, I'm not sure we have done because all we have are loans so this is where my disappointment comes from, not from the lack of chequebook usage.

[Arriba]

football is about winning.if we are to be self sufficient then we are going nowhere on the park imo.
if you lot are happy with that,then fine.i aint though.
what clubs are sefl sufficient anyway?
i'm buggered if i know.

[reeves4england]

football is about winning.if we are to be self sufficient then we are going nowhere on the park imo.
if you lot are happy with that,then fine.i aint though.
what clubs are sefl sufficient anyway?
i'm buggered if i know.

Correct. A lot of clubs are not self-sufficient. That's exactly why teams like Luton, Bournemouth, Accrington and Southampton find themselves in the position they are in now. The last two were very much guilty of chasing the dream (on slightly different scales) and are now paying the penalty.

[Arriba]

what clubs are self sufficient?
there is a difference between taking massive gambles, to throwing some personal cash at your hobby.
i'm not suggesting stupid dreams,where everything is gambled like the clubs you mention

[Rustle]

Dont forget Fitton has got a 3 year plan or was it 5 years,so i think a lot of us are expecting a little bit to much to soon,we've made great strides this season compared to last season yet we are still expecting more.I think this could drag into the summer before we get a player that fit's the criteria of DW and Fitton,Huddersfield fucked us up theres no doubt about that but maybe we should have had a back up plan.

I think fitton still has a lot to learn about the football world and it's dealings,maybe he's been a bit naive at times,it was plain bonkers to announce theo robinson had agreed a deal on a verbal basis,once sky had hold of that story that was the end.

I remember a lot of our fans was banging on about signing scott murray and even more so an over the hill trundle,if it means waiting for a younger player like the likes of robinson then we are doing the right thing in my eyes.

Im not conviced it's down to spending money,I do believe the money is available for the right player.  

[flammableBen]

It would be nice to be self sufficient but we're not even that yet are we? Do we still get accounts details? It would be nice to know how much it's costing the board just running the club. I believe the initial outlay was quite big?

I don't think any clubs are self sufficient arriba, but I think there are going to be more and more trying to be. Football is changing and as clubs get over the hangover of trying to keep up with the new born premierleague spending, they're realising that there isn't enough investment to go round.

I see 'too far above our means' like cheap speed. Lot's of teeth grinding excitement, too much happy drinking and smoking, a desperate need for some sleep and then a horrible Monday morning.

Or maybe it's a bit like crack. More-ish and then the desperation it brings when it runs out.

Or maybe it's a bit like MDMA. Nah that shit is ace.

[Arriba]

i like your logic ben.
ive forgotten what speed is like.is it still about?
i remember when pills were £15.now i get given them

[flammableBen]

i like your logic ben.
ive forgotten what speed is like.is it still about?
i remember when pills were £15.now i get given them

I think base is dirt cheap, although due to my skintness I tend to rely on charity from others. For which I'm infinitely grateful for.

[flammableBen]

On a related note, I don't think I've ever tried 'shrooms or LSD, does anybody have some spares kicking about?

[flammableBen]

Some Heroin or Crystal Meth kicking about?

[jonny72]

what clubs are self sufficient?

Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool for a start and Chelsea are working towards it.