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[Simon Pieman]

I agree with you Deev, but I'm almost ashamed to admit I've left early a few times this year. I just couldn't bear to watch any longer it was that shit. But that's the manager + team all together. I don't walk out because Jack Smith has been skinned too many times or Cox has missed from a few yards out.

[herthab]

I'm too much of a masochist to leave early......

[chalkies_shorts]

Fans support their team in different ways. Unless we want to adopt a 1984 philosophy then its always going to be that way - for us and for every other team regardless of level.
The age old answer has always been to put a good shift in and win games - end of.

[swindonbob]

I leave my seat half way through stoppage time and stand at the bottom of the steps and watch the rest of the game. It takes ages to get out of the stadium from my seat in the back-middle of the intel stand

[adje]

Sorry Dv but Smith did make a massive contribution to us losing the game in my opinion.That cross was definitely catchable.Everything else you say I agree with.

[flammableBen]

Some players have been awful in some games, im not claiming overwise but we havent exactly been piss poor every week.

I'm not quite sure if I'm quoting the right bit. But I wanted to get involved in the fan debate thingy between DV and DRS.

The one thing which has struck me, and I'm not sure if it's because I rely on people's internet opinions more now, or even if it's because I was reading less internet opinion's then.

Bobby Howe was pretty shit. And he used to get ribbed for it. But I don't remember the town fans getting on his back like they have with some of our current players. Yeah we used to rib into him with the sexy football chants, and yes people would shout at him when he was on the pitch. Yet it always seemed a lot more good natured than you get with some of the current players.

Maybe it's a reverse psyche thing, I used to skim over people opinions on the internet back in the Bobby Howe era, and now it's all I get to hear about any player. But too me everybody seems a lot more hateful, more so than I've ever experienced as a Town fan.

[Simon Pieman]

I think the hate doesn't come from truly thinking a particular player is to blame, but is born out of the frustration for the team as a whole. In essence, I'm saying people probably don't realise how daft blaming one or two players is when in fact there are often 9 or 10 players on the pitch who did fuck all, but their anger over the team performance makes them go a bit STFC Bart.

[Colin Todd]

I think its due to underachievment.  In the Bobby Howe days we had serious financial troubles leading to anyone who was any good being sold.  Our squad was terrible, and the fans knew it. There was a crushing inevitability about it all. Some of our players who were getting regular games were utterly shit and way out of their depth.

Contrast to now, we have a decent but not brilliant squad of players. Most have proven themselves to be at least adequate players for this level, and obviously we have a couple of players with the potential to go higher. Despite this, at times this season they have been dire.The 1st team squad is not being managed on a week by week basis as another 1st team player gets sold like the Howe era.

The fans have seen the same players put in sporadic excellent performances, so we have seen what they are capable of.  When they dont get anywhere near this level it makes people very very angry.

[Don Rogers Shop]

I think its due to underachievment.  In the Bobby Howe days we had serious financial troubles leading to anyone who was any good being sold.  Our squad was terrible, and the fans knew it. There was a crushing inevitability about it all. Some of our players who were getting regular games were utterly shit and way out of their depth.

Contrast to now, we have a decent but not brilliant squad of players. Most have proven themselves to be at least adequate players for this level, and obviously we have a couple of players with the potential to go higher. Despite this, at times this season they have been dire.The 1st team squad is not being managed on a week by week basis as another 1st team player gets sold like the Howe era.

The fans have seen the same players put in sporadic excellent performances, so we have seen what they are capable of.  When they dont get anywhere near this level it makes people very very angry.

This is spot on

[leefer]

Agreed to a point...last year i thaught a good striker would be enough for this squad to be near enough for at least a playoff spot..weve got the striker but alas i was wrong about the squad...some are good enough players but they havnt the mental toughness when needed.....and thats why they are at Swindon...not knocking individual players but in essence we havnt had a captain leading the team this year,i cant see any leadership on the pitch at all and while MM was in charge none off it either.

[Simon Pieman]

some are good enough players but they havnt the mental toughness when needed.....and thats why they are at Swindon...

No, that's why Swindon are 1 point off relegation. Just need a manager who won't be so acceptant of that fact and give them some belief.

Probably why I hate the "that's why they are at Swindon" line, because it's saying we'll never be better than we already are. Same as the inconsistent player theory. If you had a player who's skills were only good enough for League One, but he performed to the highest of his abilities every week, he'd be quality in League One, but struggle further up the league.

[leefer]

Give them some belief!....they have a striker scoring for fun,have been given good runs...as i pointed out these players have played under lots of managers....you saying none of them has given them belief.....the majority are crap Sie...it hurts me to say it but its true,a good new manager will see it as the truth and get rid....to me this team are uncapable of winning matches that are there for the taking.......everyone in the ground was expecting Carlisle to score near the end,we were all just waiting for it to happen like all the previous matches.....and the players were as well.

[Simon Pieman]

I wasn't trying to single you out leefer, but now you're contradicting yourself. What's a fresh team of players going to be like, because if they're at Swindon they won't have any mental toughness? Think that was the point of my post chap.

Incidentally, we seemed to be able to win matches under previous managers, with mostly the same players. We don't have a good enough sqaud for play offs or promotion, but we're better than what we're achieving right now.

[Batch]

But we haven't improved the squad. In fact I'd say Roberts, Zaboub and Comminges were better than what we have seen of Casal, Amankwha and Marshall. That is a factor.

But mostly it's confidence. We sit back in the last 10 minutes a bit because we are nervous of conceeding, and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

How you get confidence back - IMHO partly that does come from the management team (not just the main man). But equally we need a couple of lucky wins to get us on a roll.

As Si Pie says, our squad is underperforming. But it wouldn't be the first on in history that should be too good for relagation to go down.

[magicroundabout]

How you get confidence back - IMHO partly that does come from the management team (not just the main man) . But equally we need a couple of lucky wins to get us on a roll.

same as Spurs. No new players just a change of manager. and now look at how they play. with more belief and a never say die attitude (against Arsenal).