BNP Members List Leaked.

[BANGKOK RED]

I'll watch this over the weekend. Surely it'll be uploaded to youtoobe pretty quick.

[pauld]

I'd have thought the Beeb will have it on iPlayer and everywhere else they can get it - given they're pre-seeding the audience with Nazis and anti-racists, pretty obvious for all their oh-so-liberal handwringing about freedom of speech etc, they're going for a ratings grab, pure and simple.

[ghanimah]

QT is normally on iplayer, I presume Bangkok Red will need to use a UK based proxy server to access it though.

Interesting that the BBC has had to tighten its security for Griffin, it makes you wonder if the BNP are the only fascists at television centre tonight.

[pauld]

Interesting that the BBC has had to tighten its security for Griffin, it makes you wonder if the BNP are the only fascists at television centre tonight.

Cheap shot. The security is to stop anyone (as recently) throwing eggs/beer over him. It's not the anti-fascists who have the convictions for handling explosives (Griffin's deputy until a few years ago), attempting to blow up a church school full of black kids (BNP's current website manager) or nail-bombing gay bars and racial targets in Soho (Griffin's ex-bodyguard, David Copeland). To draw the comparison is trite in the extreme

[THE FLASH]

Pushing knobheads undeground will inspire them as underdogs and strengthen their position.

I say let them be torn apart by intelligent debate.

For that reason i am glad they are on tonight, however, i do agree with the ratings thing but the BBC are in a no win situation.

[Nemo]

I'd have thought the Beeb will have it on iPlayer and everywhere else they can get it - given they're pre-seeding the audience with Nazis and anti-racists, pretty obvious for all their oh-so-liberal handwringing about freedom of speech etc, they're going for a ratings grab, pure and simple.

It's also the main story on their website, the ratings will be huge. I'll watch it for sure, and I wouldn't usually watch question time. However, it is pre-recorded so anything too controversial likely won't go out.

That said, Mark Thompson is exactly right in the Guardian today- if the Government don't want the BNP on, change the law, not moan at the BBC. They are the Government, the BBC are abiding by the rules set down for them, fair or not. Peter Hain (Who I have a lot of respect for having read a fair bit about apartheid) should complain to his boss instead of the papers.

[Anteater]

I say let them be torn apart by intelligent debate.

Agree with that, or alternatively with all those eggs and beer he keeps getting his way stick him on Masterrace.....sorry I mean Masterchef, and he could probably rustle up a fair souffle ?

[pauld]

It's also the main story on their website, the ratings will be huge. I'll watch it for sure, and I wouldn't usually watch question time. However, it is pre-recorded so anything too controversial likely won't go out.

That said, Mark Thompson is exactly right in the Guardian today- if the Government don't want the BNP on, change the law, not moan at the BBC. They are the Government, the BBC are abiding by the rules set down for them, fair or not. Peter Hain (Who I have a lot of respect for having read a fair bit about apartheid) should complain to his boss instead of the papers.

I'm inclined to agree with that Nemo tbh and with what Flash said, although I'd perhaps change "be torn apart by intelligent debate" to "torn apart by hungry wolves". Now that I would watch.

But I do think the BBC have got themsleves in a right old mess on this, the premise is that the BNP will be exposed by being asked tough questions, something the BBC has abjectly failed to do ever since the Euros (the most glaring example being the Radio 1 Newsbeat debacle which was an extended advert for two avowed Nazis). And even if that is the best way to expose the BNP, QT is not the right forum for that. It's far more politics as entertainment, than any real tough questioning. I very much doubt it will make any difference one way or the other in terms of changing people's opinions either for or against the BNP, but it will and is already giving the Nazis encouragement.

[Nemo]

the premise is that the BNP will be exposed by being asked tough questions, something the BBC has abjectly failed to do ever since the Euros (the most glaring example being the Radio 1 Newsbeat debacle which was an extended advert for two avowed Nazis). And even if that is the best way to expose the BNP, QT is not the right forum for that. It's far more politics as entertainment, than any real tough questioning.

To be fair, Dimbleby is a touch more competent than the Newsbeat 'journalists'

[derbystfc]

Let them on, as much as I disagree with a lot of opinions from BNP, its freedom of speech, its their democratic right as much as ours.

A lot of people are forgetting that very valid point!

[pauld]

To be fair, Dimbleby is a touch more competent than the Newsbeat 'journalists'

He's no Paxman though is he? Dimbleby's all cosy-cosy gentleman's club, which suits very well for your standard Question Time dust-up, but hardly going to do the kind of hard-hitting "we unveil the truth about the BNP" the BBC are trying to claim will expose the BNP. And whether it's Question Time or Newsbeat, they work under the same editorial policy and it's that that's completely knickers in a twist - BBC news as a whole has no idea how to handle the BNP and Griffin is making great capital out of it.

[Hammer]

Exactly whose 'premise' is it that the 'BNP will be exposed by being asked tough questions' ? That of an individual with deeply entrenched political views and red-tinted spectacles or that of the general public ? I would suggest the former. Nick Griffin has been subjected to tough questioning in the past and even less than objective political commentators have agreed that he is able to acquit himself quite well. Don't expect any fireworks tonight, for I feel that Nick Griffin, in the eyes of the general public, will emerge from this with more credit than anything else.

[Ardiles]

Don't expect any fireworks tonight, for I feel that Nick Griffin, in the eyes of the general public, will emerge from this with more credit than anything else.

I suspect that, this evening, each of us will see what we want to see.

[Sussex]

25 protesters break through the police cordon with some entering Television Centre. (B/N - SSN).

Doesn't look very lively. Yet.

[Batch]

I suspect that, this evening, each of us will see what we want to see.

Natalie Imbruglia, naked, suspended by a rope above a pot of warm marmalade? I'm watching.