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[sheepshagger]

Course they do - Ironside is one of them

[Reg Smeeton]

Course they do - Ironside is one of them

 I'd love to be descended from a Thames Valley mammoth hunter  :eatkf:

[donkey]

Not strictly true....the recentish case of Cheddar Man shed some interesting light.

 A skeleton dated to about 9000 years ago found in a Cheddar cave, puts the person into Mesolitic hunter gathering time. The date is obtained by analysis of dental DNA....the researchers then did DNA analysis in Cheddar's present population and found 2 inhabitants with an exact match.

 In the late Palaeolithic/ early Mesolithic, the land bridge between England and the continent would have still been intact....this is today the North Sea, large numbers of Mesolithic hand axes etc come up in fishing nets as the North Sea is remarkably shallow. It looks like when the last Ice Age was in place to the north of roughly the midlands, there was a fair population of hunter gatherers, these would be considered the indiginous population, and teh Cheddar research suggests their descendants still remain.

Interesting.  I did think about the land bridge and how that would alter the argument...Cheddar Man has completely passed me by, I admit.

Of course, in view of what passes for 'indigenous' Britons, I can't believe there is anyone in this country who does not have some 'immigrant' blood in them, given that the Celts are also immigrants to this land.  And why do people think that being Anglo-Saxon makes one English?  A pure Angle or Saxon is German.  Maybe that's why Mark Collett doesn't like Churchill.

[Reg Smeeton]

 Quite simply being Anglo Saxon is a cultural term as well as an ethnic term. It's about the development of the Nation of England, which came about after the departure of teh Romans in the 5th Century. 

 No doubt the bulk of Saxon immigrants were Germanic, in origin, but they weren't German , they became English.

 A similar thing happened in Normandy....where Norse Vikings became French.

[donkey]

Quite simply being Anglo Saxon is a cultural term as well as an ethnic term. It's about the development of the Nation of England, which came about after the departure of teh Romans in the 5th Century. 

 No doubt the bulk of Saxon immigrants were Germanic, in origin, but they weren't German , they became English.

 A similar thing happened in Normandy....where Norse Vikings became French.

Absolutely, but as people often go on about ethnic origin, I enjoy taking it to its logical conclusion.

[Reg Smeeton]

Absolutely, but as people often go on about ethnic origin, I enjoy taking it to its logical conclusion.

  I haven't read much anthropology recently, but the then theory was that we're all descended from homonids from somewhere in the African Rift Valley.

[pauld]

Isn't spacey Cheddar Man?




It's alright, I'm going, my coat's round here somewhere ...

[flammableBen]

You lot are so racistist

[Lumps]

According to this book:

Spencer Wells, The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey, Random House, ISBN 0-8129-7146-9

patterns of markers in the mitocondrial DNA in various ethnic populations across the world indicate an origin for us all in a small group of San people, native to the area around the Kalahari, who set out around 50,000 years ago and effectively populated the rest of the world with modern man.

It's the reason why an averagely sized african village has a greater genetic diversity than the rest of the non-African world, Africans being descended from the population of an entire continent, the rest of us all tracing our roots back to a few dozen people that set off along the African coast to look to settle elsewhere.

It seems really hard to get believe but the DNA evidence is hard to refute.

It's a really interesting book, and I'm sure there's a few TV documentaries based on it.

[Reg Smeeton]

 

It's the reason why an averagely sized african village has a greater genetic diversity than the rest of the non-African world, Africans being descended from the population of an entire continent, the rest of us all tracing our roots back to a few dozen people that set off along the African coast to look to settle elsewhere.

 Don't really understand this bit could you elucidate please Lumps?

[Ralphy]

Can someone PM me the link please.

[Ralphy]

I tried the link but it says forbidden ?

[flammableBen]

working for me. Maybe your ISP is blocking it. I PM'd you another one.

[pauld]

Can someone who's read all the stuff on Neanderthals etc PM me the missing link please?

[Simon Pieman]

Can someone PM me the link please.

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