Players and managment abuse.

[Batch]

Our away results do show we have a glimmer of hope though. By all accounts we were very much in the game against high flying Southend.

Even if we have picked up a couple of lucky points away,we are usually in the game. If our away form is taken into account it  shows we are capable of battling out a result, useful in a relegation battle.

At home we have been utter dog shite, as soon as the going gets tough we run and hide. If our home performances (forget results) are anything to go by a relegation battle will see us raise a little white flag and go with a whimper.

Its a bit of a conflict isn't it.

My own thought is if things stay pretty much as they are our poor home form will put too much pressure on to get away wins, and our away form will suffer as a result.

Thats just blaming Malpas for everything.

Besides, the next manager may well be just as bad.

So what needs fixing and how do you go about it? Not a dig BTW, I assume you mean the player need to stand up and be counted?

[Don Rogers Shop]

Has our away form been as good as people are making out?

[Arriba]

home form will decide a clubs fate.ours is dire. unless a big upturn is forthcoming then we will go down.

[ghanimah]

Has our away form been as good as people are making out?

Obviously the results are marginally better, quite good if our home form wasn't so bad. From the away games I've seen we suffered from the same problems as at home i.e. individual mistakes, but Batch is right, the battling qualities have been there which are so obviously missing at home

[Tails]

Without wishing to sound a Jonah, I think things are likely to get worse, than they are now...so far this season I think we've been gettting the rub of the green, few injuries to key players, two games v 10 men, two pens awarded, none against and a reasonable fixture list. It tends to even itself out over a season.

Yes but we got fuck all luck for most of last season. It may even itself out but it may not, football doesn't work logicly and it never has done. We could fluke a win against Northampton by scoring a 98th minute goal that takes 8 deflections, but then confidence could grow and we could build on it and go on an unbeaten run.

I don't see how you can judge what will happen for the remaining 40-odd games based on what has happened in the past. Yes we can say that it's quite clear the team is conceeding far too many goals, but we've got two good forwards up front, one of whom (providing we don't sell him) is quite likely to get 25 goals. Sort the backline out and we're laughing.

[Spencer_White]

So what needs fixing and how do you go about it? Not a dig BTW, I assume you mean the player need to stand up and be counted?

Sort of. Fitton goes on and on about good football, and I just dont see it. Wonder if were playing different at home to try and impress the directors box? I know the directors have spent a lot of money on players, but maybe they are going to have to accept something a bit more agricultural for the rest of the season? I think the fans would if it meant points and wins.

Just think some repuatations are going to be broken this season. At some point there will be no more excuses, they will all have to wear that stain of failure. Strikers are ommited. But is Timlin really a ball player? Is McNamee really a match winner? Is Aljofree really a captain?

I think JPM's repuatation was destroyed last season, and a few more could go this season. Fair play to Paynter, he could have gone the same way as JPM.

[dogs]

I say just appoint Macari, take a deep breath and all will turn out just fine.

[Don Rogers Shop]

Btw that was not a dig just i just think we should of got more against teams like cheltenham,hereford, and stockport and even hartlepool considering what happened. We have yet to have played any of the decent home teams yet

Obviously the results are marginally better, quite good if our home form wasn't so bad. From the away games I've seen we suffered from the same problems as at home i.e. individual mistakes, but Batch is right, the battling qualities have been there which are so obviously missing at home

[Reg Smeeton]

Yes but we got fuck all luck for most of last season. It may even itself out but it may not, football doesn't work logicly and it never has done. We could fluke a win against Northampton by scoring a 98th minute goal that takes 8 deflections, but then confidence could grow and we could build on it and go on an unbeaten run.

I don't see how you can judge what will happen for the remaining 40-odd games based on what has happened in the past. Yes we can say that it's quite clear the team is conceeding far too many goals, but we've got two good forwards up front, one of whom (providing we don't sell him) is quite likely to get 25 goals. Sort the backline out and we're laughing.

 Of course, football isn't completely predictable, nevertheless there tends to be certain patterns, one of which if you concede an average of 2 goals a game, you'll likely lose more games than you'll win, and if you get locked into a win in 10 games type of run somewhere in the season it will drag you down. This early in the season there's nothing  that can't be rectified by say winning 3 or 4 in a row and maybe losing 1 in 10, but we're already at the stage where something of that scale needs to happen.

[Crozzer]

You're probably thinking of Carl Tiler....

Yes, that's the one fingered by Cloughie in his book.

[Nemo]

Yes, that's the one fingered by Cloughie in his book.

Bloody hell, that'd be a story.

[alanmayes]

Last year there was an award winning biography of Clough called :

Provided you don't kiss me - 20 yrs with Brian Clough by Duncan Hamilton

Has anybody read this or is the book being referred to on here?

[Reg Smeeton]

Yes, that's the one fingered by Cloughie in his book.

 Tiler made his debut in John Gorman's last game, a 3-2 defeat at the Shitheads.

  He just wasn't fit, neither was Ross McClaren, who I'm not sure played another game for us after that....Killer Kilcline went off early injured, and the Chief had a field day for them. Shitty were crap as well, Keith Scott got a couple, but we were a disorganised rabble.

 Andy Rowland kept the dugout warm for a couple of games before McMahon.

[alanmayes]

Tiler made his debut in John Gorman's last game, a 3-2 defeat at the Shitheads.

To make matters worse it was a live game on regional ITV.From memory it was the first time that
fans starting chanting,"We want Gorman out".He was sacked the next day.

[DV]

Tiler made his debut in John Gorman's last game, a 3-2 defeat at the Shitheads.

  He just wasn't fit, neither was Ross McClaren, who I'm not sure played another game for us after that....Killer Kilcline went off early injured, and the Chief had a field day for them. Shitty were crap as well, Keith Scott got a couple, but we were a disorganised rabble.

 Andy Rowland kept the dugout warm for a couple of games before McMahon.

Was that Joe Jordans first game in charge? well first game in his second spell?