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« Reply #15 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:50:30 »

North Ender said  "apprently they all played loved Dennis Wise was the way he encouraged everyone and took intrest in them."

They all loved Dennis Wise?  Who Ifil, Brez, Pook, Vincent, Smith and Smith?  Or do the other players who weren't even here under Wise just like hearing about these lads talking about the good ol' days?  Wise was only here for a few months, we were winning games and top (or near top) of the division, no wonder they liked it here then.  If you're top and winning you wouldn't mind if Mussolini was in charge.
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« Reply #16 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:51:42 »

Maybe the players do give a shit and are trying, but are concentrating so much on the instructions they've been given that they lose sight of the general game. I guess what I'm saying is perhaps they've been given too much to think about or aren't intelligent enough to do digest those instructions.

That flip side is definitely countered by saying the players play the games and they've played like shit. So they must take some of the blame too.
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« Reply #17 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:54:42 »

If that didnt start with the cheeky-ness that it did then I would probably punch you!  Yes Soapy Tit Wank
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« Reply #18 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:57:39 »

I guess if we are uber-honest we all shoulder some of the blame.

Fans - shit vocal support, whinging for England (I include myself in that)
Players - shit performance
Manager - shit
BOD - appointing the manager.

Basically everything is shit on the playing side Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:58:47 »

The pitch looks good though so whoever that is down to should get a pat on the back.
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« Reply #20 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 11:06:23 »

think Batch has hit the nail on the head. Everyone has a part to play. There's not a lot you can do about individual mistakes, except perhaps give the players more confidence so they're less likely to make them in the first place, but I think it works from the top down. In hindsight perhaps the managerial appointment was a mistake (I still hope I'm proved wrong), Mo Mo hasn't got the best out of certain players, but that some players haven't given 100% every week (when have we not complained about that? That's always the case, that's why these players are League One and not higher). Terrace negativity hasn't helped either, but it's part and parcel of a) supporting swindon (sadly) and b) football, it's a results business and people want instant gratification.

What I don't understand is how the team can go from demolishing Tranmere to one that can't buy a win at home. It all looked so rosy after that game!
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« Reply #21 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 11:30:58 »

If that didnt start with the cheeky-ness that it did then I would probably punch you!  Yes Soapy Tit Wank

You talking to me Jenny Wrenner?
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« Reply #22 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 11:33:05 »

I'm pretty bored of this individual mistakes shit. Let's face it, who hasn't made an individual mistake this season? It's because there is always a point where the team is disorganised or switches off. It's not a case of entirely unlucky errors. I agree with you Juddie, it must have come from the top down.

Reminds me of us under Kingy. Stuff like that happened to us all the time. We couldn't do set pieces then and we can't now. I can only conclude that the players don't know what the fuck they're doing. That's why they're unconfident - that's why 'individual errors' are happening.

Malpas may have said he can't tell the players how to pass the ball but he can sure as fuck tell them what to do for set pieces, who they're marking and where the weak points of the opposition are.

Just for the record, we were lucky against Tranmere. We played brilliantly going foward but unlike other teams they failed to get a result because they wasted most of their chances. A few people pointed this out and got shot down for being so negative following a win. How right they were.
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« Reply #23 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 11:35:44 »

true, they missed a few, I remember saying to my old chap at the time that they missed a few sitters. That said, we looked dangerous going forward too, we just played with spirit and looked confident.
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« Reply #24 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 11:50:28 »

And lets be honest against QPR, a "good performance" when you look at the record books, we should have been 4 down at half time!
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« Reply #25 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 12:02:58 »

kill them all!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/oct/15/2
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« Reply #26 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 12:04:42 »

What I don't understand is how the team can go from demolishing Tranmere to one that can't buy a win at home. It all looked so rosy after that game!
Ah, yes, but you're forgetting about the key differentiator - there was a drum at the Tranmere game (apparently). Coincidence? etc etc
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« Reply #27 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 12:10:28 »

Who do you start to blame, who is to blame?

The players have the ability but only a few show it for 90 minutes on match day, the manager is meant to be a top coach (or so we hear). He certainly writes or quotes a good rallying of the troops read in The Adver.

So my opinion: I blame one person for all this mess: The Swindon manager (Malpas), a one off poor display will happen every now and again, four home league defeats on the trot with a side totally unmotivated and displaying skills that even 'The Dog & Duck' pub side would be ashamed of is not acceptable and unforgiveable.

It's not the manager who makes these mistakes but the players, but it is so flipping obvious that the players don't want to play for this twit that nothing will improve out in the middle of the park until he has gone.
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« Reply #28 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 12:12:34 »

Who do you start to blame, who is to blame?
Ralphy. Every time
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« Reply #29 on: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 21:58:39 »

So my opinion: I blame one person for all this mess: The Swindon manager (Malpas)

Disagree. I blame the fact we have a management team that does not function. We've got three amateurs to management, who may well be good coaches but when it comes down to styles, tactics, etc they are all on completely different wavelengths. Had Malpas come in with his own staff, or if he'd come in with Fitton & co appointing some experienced heads to guide him we'd probably be a lot better off.

To lay the blame entirely on Malpas is pretty unfair, IMO.
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