Do The Players Share The Blame?

[herthab]

For me, the answer's a very loud YES!

Ok, Malpas has proved himself (Thus far) to be out of his depth, but I keep seeing posts along the lines of: 'We've still got mostly the same players as last season, only thing that's really changed is the manager, so why aren't we winning?'.

Malpas is widely recognised in the footballing community as being a good coach and most of his team selections (Imho) have been ok, so the only things he lacks are the motivational skills and possibly the type of personality that players find likeable.

All the above lead me to believe that we've got some very unprofessional players who can't motivate themselves and are dictated, performance-wise, by whether they like the manager or not.

What a bunch of cunts.

(And before anyone accuses me of being pro Malpas, I'm not. I just think that the players seem to be getting away with playing like twats, while all the bile is aimed in MM's direction.) 

[Don Rogers Shop]

You pro malpas twat

Anyway i agree with that word for word and of course they share the blame in a ideal world we would get rid of 90% of the squad along with Malpas but sadly we know it does not work like that

[Sippo]

On saturday's first half perfomance I blamed the players. There is only so much a manager can do. If the players can't concentrate then they're to blame. Come the second half I blame the manager. Poor decisions. When you are three nil down at home then something needs to be done. We were losing midfield battles on the day, so he should've changed the formation.

[michael]

(And before anyone accuses me of being pro Malpas, I'm not. I just think that the players seem to be getting away with playing like twats, while all the bile is aimed in MM's direction.) 

Getting on the players' backs is counter-productive, cos you end up with your club captain and expensive right-winger wanting out of the club, and your best defender being devoid of any confidence what-so-ever.

In an ideal world our support would do just that and cheer the team on for the entire game to create an atmosphere to inspire them, but it doesn't work that way does it.

[Jamiesfuturewife]

with the risk of sounding like JCP I have heard that Malpas hardly speaks to the players in training - and he gives no encouragement just sees the negative- and thats why some of them dont like him and apprently they all played loved Dennis Wise was the way he encouraged everyone and took intrest in them.

but then you wonder why grown men need constant attention and love.....  

[Don Rogers Shop]

All footballers do (well most) lost count of the amount of times you hear how a player needs an arm put round them.Fwiw i agree they are grown men but if thats what they need thats what they need.

I wish we had 11 coxy type players who just thought fuck it dont like him but i will do my job

[BANGKOK RED]

Iv'e been thinking about this and found England to be an example.

Despite the football still being far from perfect, Capello has got the team playing, Rooney is scoring again and after catching the 2nd half v's Kazakhstan I noticed that players want the ball and aren't afraid to try to do things with it.

This is so different to us playing under MaClaren and Capello has taken the same squad that failed to qualify for Europe and led them to their best ever WC qualifiers start, quite a contrast in results.

So the players who should have have qualified for the Euro's just didn't play but are now seemingly doing so under a different manager.

Asides from the odd change there is only really one factor of the equation that has changed and that is Capello replacing McLaren, and so who takes the blame for not qualifying for Europe? The players for not playing or the manager for not getting the players to play?

The same applies to Swindon no doubt.

[michael]

but then you wonder why grown men need constant attention and love.....  

It's because we are fragile, and sensitive...

[BANGKOK RED]

All footballers do (well most) lost count of the amount of times you hear how a player needs an arm put round them.Fwiw i agree they are grown men but if thats what they need thats what they need.

I wish we had 11 coxy type players who just thought fuck it dont like him but i will do my job

Exactly.

I couldn't care less if they need a fucking lullabye sung to them each night to make them perform, MM's job is to get them performing on the pitch and if he isn't doing whatever is necessary for that to happen (Lullabyes or whatever), then he just ain't doing his job.

[pauld]

Had this conversation with a mate after Saturday's game - I think the exact phrase we used was that the player we were discussing "needs to grow a pair". But while it's completely pathetic, seems they can't or won't. Which is probably one of the reasons why they're not playing at a higher level. So, yes of course they share the blame, and in some cases earn contempt, but as DRS and BR have so eloquently pointed out, that's the materials you get to work with as a manager. They may be pathetic, contemptible, unprofessional, a bunch of nannied little kids and all the rest but they're what you've got and your job is to get the best out of them.

[LucienSanchez]

Malpas cannot be blamed for the stupid errors that Jerel, A-wanker, and the 2 'keepers have made recently, yet these are the mistakes that have cost us actual points.

[flammableBen]

Mapas should break them and then rebuild their personalities. Maybe we're halfway through that process and he'll turn it around soon.

[Peter Venkman]

with the risk of sounding like JCP I have heard that Malpas hardly speaks to the players in training - and he gives no encouragement just sees the negative- and thats why some of them dont like him and apprently they all played loved Dennis Wise was the way he encouraged everyone and took intrest in them.

but then you wonder why grown men need constant attention and love.....  

I have to admit I have heard the same stories coming from the club about negativity and a lot of players dont like his training.

BUT

I have worked for a lot of people who I dont like their style and management but I have always given 100% all the time...the same cannot be said about the players.

[Fred Elliot]

Mapas should break them and then rebuild their personalities. Maybe we're halfway through that process and he'll turn it around soon.

I wish Apollo Creed was still alive

[Batch]

Yes they are to blame as well. Probably.

If JFW is correct, when you are constantly criticised then you are not going to perform.
Or maybe they just can't be arsed.

I don't know.