The reason we are rubbish

[chalkies_shorts]

I've still got a right cob on even now and I would say I'm much calmer than Saturday. The biggest problem is you know that the majority of players would take their wages and be out on the beer Saturday night not caring one bit about the result and knowing they'll get picked again against Stockport.

[Arriba]

i think players generally dont care about the team they play for as long as they play well individually.i'm sure a few were mighty pissed off with themselves saturday night

[BANGKOK RED]

After reading the TEF, and a couple of other forums for a couple of days here is my tuppence tuppence worth.

Clearly the problem is at the back, why are so many mistakes being made in defence???

I clearly remember people saying how well vincent talks Ifil through the games. In my opinion Ifil is experienced enough to know what he is doing, but if he needs to be walked through it then so be it because we all know how good he is. But Ifil right now is crap.

And now he (Ifil) is partnered with Aljofree whom by all accounts shouts and screams at players for the slightest error. What is that going to do for a player like Ifil who is clearly a confidence player? It is just going to make him more nervy and more prone to mistakes right?

An honest question: Has Ifil ever played well alongside gobby Aljofree as captain? And am I right in thinking that Jerel plays 1 million times better alongside Vincent? I might be wrong if I have got my players mixed up.

This has a knock on effect to Brez/Smith who are not confident with the back line, they seem to lack leadership/organisation skills themselves and so therefore must be well nervy when the opposition attack.

And the full backs, what full back would get forward knowing the is is exposing 2 very shaky CB's?

This also has a knock on effect to the midfield. I.E.: Despite playing against 10 men they did not have enough confidence in the back line to go forward. On another forum the majority of Leeds fans have said that were not that bad but, we just didn't "Go for it". Again, perhaps the midfield had one eye on the defence.

One comment from a Leeds fan was that he looked up and noticed 4 town players around Beckford, if true then there were at least 2 players who should have been elsewhere (More forward), which again amounts to a lack of confidence in the defence from other players.

By all accounts Cox, Paynter and McNamee have doing well, although McNamee has been quiet due to a lack of service (From the nervy midfield). These 3 attacking players have few, if any defensive duties and so therefore can concentrate on their own job rather than having to worry about what the defence is up to, maybe this is why thyhave been doing well.

It's hardly a trade secret that a solid team advances from the back line, but we clearly do not have that.

If the 2 CB's are failing then the puts pressure on the full backs and goalie, which then means that the midfield are not confident in going forward. What midfielder is going to make a forward run when he is concerned that the opposing midfielder next to him might intercept the ball, resulting in a break for the opposition that the defence just can't handle?

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To summarise I think that.

1) Ifil needs to grow the fuck up and to stop having to have his hand held for every match. He is experienced enough after all.
2) I am confident that vincent coming back will help immensely (Unless I have my players mixed up)
3) we need to buy/loan an experienced replacement for Aljofree or Vincent to partner Ifil or whomever to organise this shit.
4) Nallis should be made captain, maybe if he plays deep enough then he could organise the back line
5) Malpas is a useless Scot's cunt who should be sacked yesterday.
6) Or none of the above. (BR is wide well wide of the mark)
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Something else that I noted is somebody else posting about Phil Smith not getting a "Pat on the back" after his howler, which I think is a very good point. OK he fucked up, but the only thing that will help him to play better is some moral support, again this makes me think that the captain may well be part of the problem.

Regardless of what the orders may be from the general, it is up to the captain to rally the troops.

Anyway.

STOP FUCKING ABOUT AND DO WHAT YOU/WE KNOW YOU CAN DO.

[leefer]

Good post Red....but dont agree with you on keeper Smith,he isnt the same keeper,he looked nervous before his howler and he wasnt any greay shakes at the Dons,lets face it....it wasnt a small gaffe....a sunday lge keeper would have stopped that.

[THE FLASH]

I could be wrong, but Peacock strikes we as the type of guy who would do whatever you ask of him and tell the fans what we want to hear.

Last season he kept saying he loved his new midfield role, then when he moved back up top he said how much he loved being back up front.

Peaks should stay in midfield...........enuff said...

As I've said, I personally perfer him in midfield

[JPC82]

16 pages?? we could have ended this in 1 post!

Our manager is shit and our coaches are shit, they have fuck all experience between them.

[Simon Pieman]

My two penneth...

We're only 6 games into the season and it's far to early to start judging. Yes, we're lacking in some departments but we're by no means rubbish. The same team you lot are moaning about tore Tranmere to pieces 5 weeks ago.

It’s not too early to judge though. Malpas has had loads of games in charge now and I’m afraid these defensive issues have been ever present.

It would be too early to start calling for Malpas’s head but definitely not to criticise shoddy play.

I think that’s where the frustration has come from – people have seen this for ages but Malpas can’t seem to change it.

People are pointing to our centre backs a lot, but they have not changed since Sturrock’s time but they are looking worse.

[Don Rogers Shop]

Good post si

[RobertT]

It's more evident now because we have tried to open up our game a bit, as people wanted, and from time to time pass it around.  Both the previous Managers went with the keep it tight approach - Wise played narrow and pushed the side of the pitch the ball was like Wimbledon, and Sturrock just got rid of flair for the most part, hence moving Peacock back etc.

Once you expose the backline to work as a unit on themselves, the errors begin to cost us more and become obvious.

The answer is therefore a change in personnel (difficult) by getting in an old head who can organise them all, or a change in approach to build confidence back up - which may mean 4-5-1 or reverting to the much criticised use of Easton on the right of 3.  Right now I'd say we can't have our cake and eat it with the squad as is.  We either accept games like this will happen as we continue our quest for attacking passing football, or we accept me might need to be a bit more negative again to allow for individual incompetence at times.

I really feel that's where Malpas' responsibility lies.  He either somehow gets more out of the team playing the way we are, or bites the bullett and changes things to protect our deficencies like the last 2 did.  Either way, if he does that it should help, but we as fans must also accept we might not be "entertained" the way we have demanded.

[Iffy's Onion Bhaji]

It’s not too early to judge though. Malpas has had loads of games in charge now and I’m afraid these defensive issues have been ever present.

It would be too early to start calling for Malpas’s head but definitely not to criticise shoddy play.

I think that’s where the frustration has come from – people have seen this for ages but Malpas can’t seem to change it.

People are pointing to our centre backs a lot, but they have not changed since Sturrock’s time but they are looking worse.

Agree with that and to add to it what about Ady Williams? Isn't he just a liability and a complete waste of space? As defence coach he obviously isn't working wonders. I'm wondering if it's worth getting rid and getting in a proper defence coach. Might do the trick. If not then we know MM must be at least partly to blame for such comical defending.

[JPC82]

Wise and Sturrock both done well here, they brought their own coaching staff in, blackley is was quality here by the way. Malpas takes over and gets given Byrne and fucking Williams! i bet Malpas couldnt believe his luck getting the job here so when Fitton mentioned Byrne and Williams staying around Malpas didnt question nothing, unfortunatley these are the results, SHIT!!

[Iffy's Onion Bhaji]

To be fair though MM did say he would judge Williams before making a decision on him so he has obviously seen something in him. I certainly haven't though.

[Reg Smeeton]

Wise and Sturrock both done well here, they brought their own coaching staff in, blackley is was quality here by the way. Malpas takes over and gets given Byrne and fucking Williams! i bet Malpas couldnt believe his luck getting the job here so when Fitton mentioned Byrne and Williams staying around Malpas didnt question nothing, unfortunatley these are the results, SHIT!!

 The main difference is that the club couldn't actually fund the coaching staff of Sturrock and Wise...OK they may have been decent...but clearly AF isn't going to do it like that.

 I'm sure part of the reason why MM got the job was because he was prepared to work with  Byrne and Williams.

 Nothing wrong with that at all....Ardiles was prepared to work with John Trollope.

  Even McMahon was  prepared to work with Andy Rowland to start with.

 

[Bogus Dave]

my mate said to me earlier apparantly vincenté will be playing for the ressie tonight. good news

[JPC82]

my mate said to me earlier apparantly vincenté will be playing for the ressie tonight. good news

it defo isnt at left back, yinka playing with Kennedy left midfield, Vincent staring centre back i just got told