The reason we are rubbish

[sonic youth]

i'm inclined to agree but the management roundabout is getting silly here

[Don Rogers Shop]

It is but only because whenever someone goes we tend to keep one of them here. Imo none of them have any loyalty to malpas and why should they

[Simon Pieman]

It's not bollocks. It's just less obvious than negatives about other players. If I mentioned that Ifil punts the ball aimlessley or McGovern doesn't stay out wide when he should, I'd probably have your agreement in an instant.

I'm in no way blaming Nalis for yesterday's shambles. He is a good player when the rest of our midfield (team?) is doing well. He can exploit gaps when they're there and play some good passes and often provides an outlet to pass to. However, when the rest of the midfield (team?) is not doing well he looks slow and unable to do much.

Leeds at home and Cheltenham away are prime examples. Considering we've only played 6 games I think my conclusion is quite sensible. It has plenty of time to be proved or disproved.

[Don Rogers Shop]

I think i know what your saying si he was our best player but still not good enough?

[sonic youth]

Ifil punts the ball aimlessley or McGovern doesn't stay out wide when he should, I'd probably have your agreement in an instant.

these are irrefutably true.

when the rest of the midfiled (team?) is not doing well he looks slow and unable to do much.

this is not true. or at least, i thought he was the only midfielder to emerge from the game yesterday with any credit. he worked hard, used the ball well, tracked back when ifil or amankwaah got caught out of position and as usual was the only player who came deep to get the ball to stop ifil's aimless punts.

although our goal did come from one of ifil's punts!

[Arriba]

easton had the worst game i've seen him have, which didn't do nalis any favours.but easton will come back and have blinders again.
the biggest worry is the centre backs,they have not got an understanding at all, and even before yesterdays shambles the signs have been there that its frail to say the least.having an ex international defender as boss and an experienced centre half aint improving the back 4 at all from what i've seen this season.

[Luci]

this is not true. or at least, i thought he was the only midfielder to emerge from the game yesterday with any credit. he worked hard, used the ball well, tracked back when ifil or amankwaah got caught out of position and as usual was the only player who came deep to get the ball to stop ifil's aimless punts.

Agreed, I thought that Nalis did well yesterday and one of our only players to think about where to pass etc. and keep it on the ground!

[Simon Pieman]

He kept throwing himself into challenges which I admire for his endevour and tenacity. However, he was often late in his challenge. I'm surprised he didn't pick up a second booking. It was quite easy for Leeds to take the ball around him as well. The rest of the team was much the same. But I've seen it happen with Nalis a few times.

What did Nalis do yesterday apart from pass the ball sideways? I think I may be being a bit too harsh because there was a lack of movement for him, but there were times when he (and others) had acres of room to take the ball forward but they ended up doing nothing with it. It reminded me England against Andorra.

I'm not lynching or trying to lynch Lilian Nalis. I'm just being realistic. In fact, none of our midfielders has consistently impressed me under Malpas or Sturrock. I think our best midfielder in the last few seasons was Monkhouse and Sturrock got rid of him.

[Simon Pieman]

easton had the worst game i've seen him have, which didn't do nalis any favours.but easton will come back and have blinders again.
the biggest worry is the centre backs,they have not got an understanding at all, and even before yesterdays shambles the signs have been there that its frail to say the least.having an ex international defender as boss and an experienced centre half aint improving the back 4 at all from what i've seen this season.

100% true. Also, I saw Amankwaah trying to organise the middle two a lot of the time. I think this is why he got caught out himself, because he was concentrating on what other people were doing instead of what he was doing.

[sonic youth]

fair enough. however, i thought his first booking was dubious anyway.

nalis will never bring the ball forward on marauding runs, that's nto the sort of player that he is. he does the simple things well and can control the game when we're on top, admittedly yesterday he was far from controlling anything.

leeds also had an excellent central midfielder in delph. anyone in this division would look poor in comparison.

[flammableBen]

maybe so but nevertheless ben speaks a lot more sense than some on here who do go regularly.

Cheers babe.

[Simon Pieman]

Whilst I'm laying into our players, especially our midfield. Why oh why when 3 players are trying to win the ball off McNamee, or at least in that zonal area of the pitch, are there no players in space trying to exploit the inevitable gap?

Against 10 men this problem seems even worse. Not good enough. McGovern and Easton were our worst midfielders yesterday, I agree when you say Nalis wasn't the worst, he was trying hard and I think if the rest of the team had worked for him he would have done better. Our whole midfield looked slow yesterday. Mainly because there was no movement.

My point about Nalis is, there is no point in having 'class' when it isn't going to win you games. I'm not trying to refute his individual skills. Against 10 men you'd assume there would be more gaps to pass into.

I'm just really disappointed about the game and in fact our season. Games like this and also Cheltenham wind me up. You can hear the opposition's fans taunting us because we're shit. These are games we should have won, not lost by two goals.

[DV]

the reason we were rubbish, because Leeds are better than us.

They have a better goal keeper, better defenders, better midfielders and probably the best striker at this level. They battle hard and keep the ball well.

Sure, we made it easy for them with sloppy mistakes....but everyone seems intent to blame our players, our manager, our fans, our journo from the local fucking paper - yet no one wants to give any fucking credit to Leeds what so ever.

I am 100% sure that is not the first time a team down to 10 men has upped their game. Remember Swansea last year when Barry Corr stupidly got himself sent off after about 15 minutes against Swansea. We upped our game and played much better than they did. They took the lead they didnt deserve and we got a goal back. They didnt beat 10 men but they didnt blame their players/manager/fans/paper/journo....

Again, its all well and good slating everyone but who would do a better job....who can we play in the middle, who can we play in defence, who can we play in goal who can we get in as manager that will suddenly change everything make us good again? go on tell me.....dont keep telling me you want our manager sacked, tell me who the fuck you want him replaced with...

I really am thinking about whether I want to continue after the 10 games ive payed for. I'm just sick of everything about football and mainly about alot of our own fans....

[Don Rogers Shop]

Our own manager players all said we are capable of beating anyone yet we looked woeful against 10 men lets make our fuckin minds up

[Don Rogers Shop]

I would also add with cox,mcnamee and easton we have some good players ourselves dv