i get the best jobs

[Gazza's Fat Mate]

I will have a "ding dong the witch is dead" party down the 'Hive  and get suitably flarded and argue with fucking mummy boy tories like GFM and RobbieT

I can't be a muumy boy as mine is dead

[jim]

calling a bloke a wanker is not an insult. You wank I wank so what

OK - substitute Tosspot for Wanker

[Reg Smeeton]

You are all lefty commie bastards. the fact is most coal mines were at the time LOSING money why the fuck should I have to pay to support a compnay that was losing money and before you say it yes the gov. should not have bailed out Northen Rock but guess who did that labour ie the union party left of central.

As for the royal mail, tube driver, train drivers etc etc all cunts they know they have the public swecred so they strike to get more money and are greedy cunts!

 The industry which is most subsidised in this country is farming, and has been for years. Nobody ever complains about it, other than a few farmers when their subsidy drops....they're even paid not to farm now..(set aside)

 Of course, the farmers are to be found in the Tory shires...therefore their politicians fight for them....and quite rightly so.

 When I were a kid the Tory party leadership was almost entirely composed of large land owning gentlemen farmers like McMillan and Douglas Home...their cosy world was brought down by the revelation that their party was riddled with corrupt and sleazy individuals who'd happily betray the country fro a good shag.

 In much the same way that Major's government was ousted by revelation after revelation of their traditional contempt for the British working man and woman.

 Have they changed that much.....Cameron's missus comes from landowning farming stock....the daughter of landowner Sir Reginald Sheffield, she grew up on the 300 acre Normanby Hall estate, near Scunthorpe.

 Will Cameron be fighting to remove the subsidy you pay to Sir Reg GFM?

[Lumps]

And those nuclear power stations don't fucking pay for themselves you know. The amount of subsidy the nuclear industry has received over the last couple of decades could have kept the all the mines open until the last ounce of coal was dredged up.

[Reg Smeeton]

And those nuclear power stations don't fucking pay for themselves you know. The amount of subsidy the nuclear industry has received over the last couple of decades could have kept the all the mines open until the last ounce of coal was dredged up.

 Yeah but the nuclear boys never brought down a Tory government and the miners and friends did...therefore were thought of as "the enemy within"

 Which is why the likes of Joe Gormley NUM president in the 70's worked for M15...

[alanmayes]

I have some friends who currently work for Royal Mail,one is even a union rep and i trust their views
completely.For instance,RM does not promote lower management (Supervisors/team leaders) on the
basis of ability.A culture has evolved of favouratism,nepostim and criminality.I won't bore you with long
details,but i'll just touch on a few.A mail centre manager was appointed to his current position,because
he "blackmailed" his interviewer by having "something" on that person.His father in law told me this!

Secondly,East London mail centre,management paid the union rep to make local deals in their favour.
These came out over a period of time and are facts.

The mail centre manager as mentioned above,used to phone up workers who were on sick leave,tried to
bully them back to work(one had even had heart surgery the week before!) illegally stopped their pay,
even when they were signed off by their doctor.Illegal files on workers that break the data protection
act,yes the law of the land! Some of you guys have no idea the bully boy tactics that my friends have
had to endure from RM.

As to the present Tory party,the fact that the present shadow cabinet contains 16 Old Etonians should
show you just how representative of modern Britain they really are.Have they really changed?
As a former leading economist from the Bank of England commented, when questioned this week about
future Tory economic plans,"It's all designed to produce winners and losers".

[Simon Pieman]

What do you mean by illegal files?

[flammableBen]

What do you mean by illegal files?

Well I'm guessing if they break the data protection act then they fail one of the pointy thingies of it. I remember learning about shizzle like that. Err... Only kept for as long as it's relevant, up to date, the peeps give their agreement for everything held, secure, not given out without permission (think that comes under secure). All that shit. The copyright and patents side was more interesting.

[ron dodgers]

What do you mean by illegal files?

bastard files

[Colin Todd]

I have some friends who currently work for Royal Mail,one is even a union rep and i trust their views
completely.For instance,RM does not promote lower management (Supervisors/team leaders) on the
basis of ability.A culture has evolved of favouratism,nepostim and criminality.I won't bore you with long
details,but i'll just touch on a few.A mail centre manager was appointed to his current position,because
he "blackmailed" his interviewer by having "something" on that person.His father in law told me this!

Secondly,East London mail centre,management paid the union rep to make local deals in their favour.
These came out over a period of time and are facts.

The mail centre manager as mentioned above,used to phone up workers who were on sick leave,tried to
bully them back to work(one had even had heart surgery the week before!) illegally stopped their pay,
even when they were signed off by their doctor.Illegal files on workers that break the data protection
act,yes the law of the land! Some of you guys have no idea the bully boy tactics that my friends have
had to endure from RM.

As to the present Tory party,the fact that the present shadow cabinet contains 16 Old Etonians should
show you just how representative of modern Britain they really are.Have they really changed?
As a former leading economist from the Bank of England commented, when questioned this week about
future Tory economic plans,"It's all designed to produce winners and losers".

This doent apply to more specialised jobs that actually require skills such as like fireman, police etc but why dont they just get another job rather than moaning like fuck.  Working in a RM depot is no different from any other warehouse environment.

[Leggett]

...apart from any other warehouse doesnt have those giant fucking nazis crozier and leighton at the helm, royally (no pun intended) fucking up the company.


we now have to take on a certain number of graduates as managers per year, so far we've had 2 in Dorcan, both were completely fucking innept and as welcome as a fart in a lift. both were removed from their jobs and given desk jobs so they couldnt fuck too much stuff up. and one of em looked like boris johnson too. but this was before it was cool to like boris



oh and during the rebuild they've got to take down a bloody big internal wall. rather than do the sensible thing and shut the warehouse for a day or two, maybe over a weekend or something, and divert the mail to other mail centres so the post isnt disrupted, and knock the fucker down ASAP. instead, they've put up huge plastic sheets on scaffolding that has halved our workspace, and they're drilling out the bricks one by one, so theres not too much dust being thrown up.

[Colin Todd]

moan moan moan.

whats the problem about taking on graduates for management jobs?  Its what every other large company in the country does.

Of course the RM should be different and be run like its the 1950's.

[alanmayes]

I think the point that Leggett was trying to make was that the graduate's just weren't up to the job
and it was silly to have them in a supervisory position in the first place,with no experience within the
jobs market.My guess would be that RM have 'targets' and employing graduates at lower management
levels would be part of this.

Each and every one of us is entitled to view our personal files from the HR department.When a lower
ranked manager keeps files on his staff,from which they cannot be viewed or even challenged, then
that breaks the data protection act and is illegal.

It's also my understanding that morale within RM is very,very low and for experienced staff who worked
in good times,it must be soul destroying.Like all of us wherever we work,why shouldn't they be entitled
to some respect and dignity? A successful company has everyone pulling together and it's obvious that
within RM, there's a lack of leadership at local and national level.Crozier and Leighton were government
appointees as well as the regulator,who administors the market,perhaps they should be criticised for the
state of RM,rather the the postie/postal worker.

Some of us are fortunate to have good jobs and with good companies,but that doesn't entitle us to
belittle others who aren't in such a fortunate position.

[Colin Todd]

I dont see anyone belittling anyone else here.

The fact is a lot of the RM moaners could easily get a job elsewhere, but they dont. Why is that?

[Leggett]

moan moan moan.

whats the problem about taking on graduates for management jobs?  Its what every other large company in the country does.

Of course the RM should be different and be run like its the 1950's.

the problem is being forced into employing people who arent suited to the job. surely we should be able to employ the best person for the job, but instead we have these unexperienced graduates forced upon us.


as for RM 'moaners' easily being able to get new jobs, alot of them are ex-forces, or of an age where finding a new job would be difficult, or have been in the business for 10/15/20 years. they are not likely to up sticks and go searching for a new job are they?