STFC Transfer Rumours

[swindonmaniac]

I hope they changed the fax machine date to 2024

Do you think we’ll use it this window ?!!.

[Bob's Orange]

Indeed and players talk.
Our reputation has plummeted.

It's evident isn't it that (ignoring Benn Ward's amazing loan from Burnley) we are no longer getting loans from Spurs or Villa anymore and relying on league 2 rivals. I'll reserve judgement until the end of January but so far things aren't exactly steaming forward on the transfer front.

[No Longer Posh Red]

It's evident isn't it that (ignoring Benn Ward's amazing loan from Burnley) we are no longer getting loands from Spurs or Villa anymore and relying on league 2 rivals. I'll reserve judgement until the end of January but so far things aren't exactly steaming forward on the transfer front.

Isn’t this a lot to do with a manager’s contacts.
Obviously the Spurs ones were down to Power/Sherwood, and Palace was from Chorley if I remember rightly (may have been Garner).
Clearly Flynn played & managed mostly in the lower leagues so will have more contacts at that level.
We did get Mahoney from QPR.

That said it’s clearly a toxic environment at the moment which I’m sure would put off some teams loaning players

[Bob's Orange]

Isn’t this a lot to do with a manager’s contacts.
Obviously the Spurs ones were down to Power/Sherwood, and Palace was from Chorley if I remember rightly (may have been Garner).
Clearly Flynn played & managed mostly in the lower leagues so will have more contacts at that level.
We did get Mahoney from QPR.

That said it’s clearly a toxic environment at the moment which I’m sure would put off some teams loaning players

Yeah that's a good point about the manager. This also goes back to my repetitive point about not having enough 'football people' in the club. At least Franchise trust us with their players!

[Riddick]

It's evident isn't it that (ignoring Benn Ward's amazing loan from Burnley) we are no longer getting loands from Spurs or Villa anymore and relying on league 2 rivals. I'll reserve judgement until the end of January but so far things aren't exactly steaming forward on the transfer front.

Its easy to get very negative about this, and yeah there is a lot to worry about but i would make two points on this.

1. Name me two loan players that have had a bigger influence when they have been loaned from a premier league club, than the influence of Kemp and Young (and Doyle previously). It doesn't matter to results where they come from if they make a positive impact. I'll accept there is a longer term frustration with what could have been if we had acquired permanently.

2. Who you get loans from is far more to do with the individuals at the club. See Power/Sherwood, and previously here Chorley/Jewell. This for me would seem to be an area we are struggling with. What are Flynns connections? Most of the ones we get seem to be down messers Standing/Kiely, who are not even accountable for their actions.

Surely its going to be a spectacularly busy in the next couple of days....

[Nemo]

The mildly interesting thing is that when Flynn came in, we were linked to basically everyone who'd ever played for him before at Newport and Walsall, and signed only Kinsella who had been a longer term Town target.

Mahoney supposedly was Flynn's pick I think, tried to sign him at Walsall.

Jamie Russell, as much as everyone speaks positively about him, doesn't seem to have a huge pile of obvious connections.

[DV]

You keep believing that!!

We are a mess off the pitch , this has filtered down to the agents who are unwilling to suggest their players coming here......

This means a lot more than a bigger wage....

Believe it from an ex proffessional

Like I said. If we don’t sign a single player in the window then bring this back up.


We will sign players.

[4D]

How big is Supermarine's squad? 

[Riddick]

The mildly interesting thing is that when Flynn came in, we were linked to basically everyone who'd ever played for him before at Newport and Walsall, and signed only Kinsella who had been a longer term Town target.

Mahoney supposedly was Flynn's pick I think, tried to sign him at Walsall.

Jamie Russell, as much as everyone speaks positively about him, doesn't seem to have a huge pile of obvious connections.

Yeah it wouldn't seem that Jamie Russell adds much value in this area. I suspect though that his name gets thrown around more as an attempt to keep people happy that a 'football' man is involved. We all know the real people affecting signings are Standing/Kiely.

[Cowley38]

Like I said. If we don’t sign a single player in the window then bring this back up.


We will sign players.

We may well sign players....

But not the ones we need....

Youngsters who need a game that their clubs have told them to go...

[Bob's Orange]

Its easy to get very negative about this, and yeah there is a lot to worry about but i would make two points on this.

1. Name me two loan players that have had a bigger influence when they have been loaned from a premier league club, than the influence of Kemp and Young (and Doyle previously). It doesn't matter to results where they come from if they make a positive impact. I'll accept there is a longer term frustration with what could have been if we had acquired permanently.

2. Who you get loans from is far more to do with the individuals at the club. See Power/Sherwood, and previously here Chorley/Jewell. This for me would seem to be an area we are struggling with. What are Flynns connections? Most of the ones we get seem to be down messers Standing/Kiely, who are not even accountable for their actions.

Surely its going to be a spectacularly busy in the next couple of days....

Great points and I completely agree that just because we aren't getting loans from Premier League teams doesn't mean they can't be a success. Obviously Young and Kemp were, which is fantastic, but we are now suffering because we aren't in a position to buy them. It's not an exact science and of course players may be recalled to be sent higher up the pyramid, but season long loans from Premier league clubs surely reduce the chances of players being recalled in January as they are so far from being involved in the first team/the club don't need to sell them to make money.

Going back to the point about taking players from other league 2 clubs, I look at Wimbledon who took 2 players on loan from Stockport, both having excellent impacts for them, and this week they permanently signed one of them. I guess my frustration is that we also had good loans from league 2 clubs but are miles away from being able to sign them - granted Kemp and Young are going to cost much more than the lad Wimbledon signed - 180k I think they paid for Evans.

It's easy to get too negative with everything and I'm as guilty as many when shooting the breeze on here. We will of course make signings, I guess it's holding our nerve and taking stock in February.

[Riddick]

Great points and I completely agree that just because we aren't getting loans from Premier League teams doesn't mean they can't be a success. Obviously Young and Kemp were, which is fantastic, but we are now suffering because we aren't in a position to buy them. It's not an exact science and of course players may be recalled to be sent higher up the pyramid, but season long loans from Premier league clubs surely reduce the chances of players being recalled in January as they are so far from being involved in the first team/the club don't need to sell them to make money.

Take KKH though, if they come here and do well, then they get recalled not to go into the premier league side, but to be sent to a league 1 team to further their development.

Fact is if you loan a player from any division and they do well, then they are getting recalled in Jan.

My frustration with the Kemp deal particualrly, is that we should have been able to buy him in the summer. The signs were there from the hartlepool loan, his contract had 1 year left etc. He is the exact type of investment we should be making. We didn't and thats frustrating. Hey we may well have sold him in Jan, but tht profit would have gone to the club (maybe subject to the clowns behind the scenes).

[Bob's Orange]

Take KKH though, if they come here and do well, then they get recalled not to go into the premier league side, but to be sent to a league 1 team to further their development.

Fact is if you loan a player from any division and they do well, then they are getting recalled in Jan.

My frustration with the Kemp deal particualrly, is that we should have been able to buy him in the summer. The signs were there from the hartlepool loan, his contract had 1 year left etc. He is the exact type of investment we should be making. We didn't and thats frustrating. Hey we may well have sold him in Jan, but tht profit would have gone to the club (maybe subject to the clowns behind the scenes).

I did say that a premier league player could be recalled to go to a higher club - KKH is the perfect example. Unfortunately we are bottom feeders and are rarely going to win when it comes to loaning players these days.

I heard that we could have secured Kemp for a very affordable sum. Hindsight is amazing but yeah, if only we'd taken that gamble.

[Riddick]

Apologies. Yep

I didnt like Sandro, or a lot of what he recruited. However spending small fees on players to improve and flip is and always should be the plan. Hutton/Khan etc.

This season its hard to deny that we even abandoned that approach, and have spent even less.

[Bob's Orange]

Apologies. Yep

I didnt like Sandro, or a lot of what he recruited. However spending small fees on players to improve and flip is and always should be the plan. Hutton/Khan etc.

This season its hard to deny that we even abandoned that approach, and have spent even less.

No worries. Sandro was deeply unpopular but at least his approach kind of appeared to have some merit and an element of planning about it.

God only knows what our approach is this season, close our eyes and hope for the best? Even relying on Flynn's past success with players only got us Kinsella - who has been good recently to be fair. I wonder if things might have been different this season if we'd have got Demetriou (who has been excellent at Crewe) and Danny Johnson (who has done bugger all at Walsall). Ifs, buts and maybes of course.