STFC Transfer Rumours

[DiV]

How does data work when any loanees we’re likely to get are youngsters with little or zero data available.

In fact, the whole thing seems to point to getting slightly older players in who at least have some data with which to make a decision.

There has to be data from the different ages groups you’d assume.

[Quagmire]

How does data work when any loanees we’re likely to get are youngsters with little or zero data available.

In fact, the whole thing seems to point to getting slightly older players in who at least have some data with which to make a decision.

Most academies will have data on players from a young age you’d imagine.

[Berniman]

it's going to be interesting to see how the data side helps us.

I don't mean that in a disbelieving way.

but it's surely only a short cut to a short list, not an absolute

Yeah, it is supposed to provide you with a list of players that you should go and scout rather than just looking at any player that is available in the position you need.  In short, if the data doesn't put you on that list, you are probably not going to get scouted/considered.

[Batch]

@dv - yeah there does.

wherever is transferable to senior football is another matter.

I guess that's true of lower league players, do the stats hold in a higher league.

interesting stuff.

[Batch]

, it is supposed to provide you with a list of players that you should go and scout rather than just looking at any player that is available in the position you need.  In short, if the data doesn't put you on that list, you are probably not going to get scouted/considered.

I guess the aim is to buy more hits than misses.

may well work, but the odd Sam Parkin is going to slip through the net (though his stats before Northampton were ok)

maybe we'll still do a bit of traditional scouting based on recommendation too.

truth is, there is no foolproof system. All you can do is play the odds (imo)

[DiV]

Yeah, it is supposed to provide you with a list of players that you should go and scout rather than just looking at any player that is available in the position you need.  In short, if the data doesn't put you on that list, you are probably not going to get scouted/considered.

Would be interesting to know in hindsight how Harry McKirdy would have scored on his pre Swindon career data and whether his rather poor goals return would have meant the computer said no…

Obviously it’s not an exact science (nor is anyone claiming it is) but there will always be players who improve or just fit at certain clubs.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Would academies make available to other clubs the data on their young talent?

It’s different for players actually playing 1st team football as their data can be collected independently.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Would be interesting to know in hindsight how Harry McKirdy would have scored on his pre Swindon career data and whether his rather poor goals return would have meant the computer said no…

Obviously it’s not an exact science (nor is anyone claiming it is) but there will always be players who improve or just fit at certain clubs.

That’s my worry about McKirdy following Garner - the man who got him going. How much, realistically, would he be worth?

[Jimmy HaveHave]

Just wondering if anyone got examples of players that had signed for a club who had the perfect data stats but never delivered. Performances are not guaranteed which could be for many reasons so computer stats shouldn't be the only reason a player is purchased.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Got to admit, I don’t fully understand all the data that is available on players and how to actually wheedle out the ones that might improve. Surely, many clubs would come to the same conclusion if a player’s stats showed him to be better than he was actually performing.

[Jimmy HaveHave]

Got to admit, I don’t fully understand all the data that is available on players and how to actually wheedle out the ones that might improve. Surely, many clubs would come to the same conclusion if a player’s stats showed him to be better than he was actually performing.

Same as

[singingiiiffy]

Would be interesting to know in hindsight how Harry McKirdy would have scored on his pre Swindon career data and whether his rather poor goals return would have meant the computer said no…

Obviously it’s not an exact science (nor is anyone claiming it is) but there will always be players who improve or just fit at certain clubs.

mckirdy is the type of player that buzzes around with a fantastic work ethic- perfect for a team that presses. im sure his data would highlight this work along with chances created. his expected goals would probably have been high even though his actually goals weren't pre swindon. it at least gives coaches something to work with and tune in with the team. thats where just looking at goals isn't very helpful- something that us fans always overlook when we sign players because we dont have much else to go on.

[Berniman]

I guess the aim is to buy more hits than misses.

may well work, but the odd Sam Parkin is going to slip through the net (though his stats before Northampton were ok)

maybe we'll still do a bit of traditional scouting based on recommendation too.

truth is, there is no foolproof system. All you can do is play the odds (imo)

Would be interesting to know in hindsight how Harry McKirdy would have scored on his pre Swindon career data and whether his rather poor goals return would have meant the computer said no…

Obviously it’s not an exact science (nor is anyone claiming it is) but there will always be players who improve or just fit at certain clubs.

I am sure they will mix it up on occaisions, contacts will still be used no doubt - we would be mad to not consider the potential next Charlie Austin etc.

Would academies make available to other clubs the data on their young talent?

It’s different for players actually playing 1st team football as their data can be collected independently.

I think the data goes onto a central database that all clubs/scouts have access to.  I know a few posters on here that actually have access to it as well.

That’s my worry about McKirdy following Garner - the man who got him going. How much, realistically, would he be worth?

If we are offered decent money for him, I would cash in.  There is no guarantee that he will have a another season like last, and no guarantees that our new manager will get him ticking, or put up with his shananagans - finding a buyer might be the problem as I think the football world is well aware of the personality that comes with Harry

[Legends-Lounge]

Re. McKirdy, don’t be surprised to see Garner come in with an offer.

[DiV]

mckirdy is the type of player that buzzes around with a fantastic work ethic- perfect for a team that presses. im sure his data would highlight this work along with chances created. his expected goals would probably have been high even though his actually goals weren't pre swindon. it at least gives coaches something to work with and tune in with the team. thats where just looking at goals isn't very helpful- something that us fans always overlook when we sign players because we dont have much else to go on.

…but…did he buzz around pre Swindon?