The rise of Football Manager games and the affect it has....

[Bogus Dave]

we looked fairly balanced on saturday.

And when that natural winger is as good an mcnamee does it matter?

[Power to people]

Let's be honest here, yes people play footie manager games but I don't think that is the reason people complain, it may make people more aware of how certain things play out - but I think most are sensible enough to know it is not real life.

Supporters all have their own opinions and that is what football is all about - opinions - you watch the team on the Sat and discuss and everyone has different opinions on certain things.

Personally I'd much prefer us in a rigid 4-4-2 instead of this 4-1-3-2 as I think we have got good crossers of the ball in the team (Mcgovern & Mcnamee) and only one them is being used to his potential while Easton is playing out of his best position and at times does not look comftable having to get forward down the wing as he is not a good crosser of the ball.

[RobertT]

when we play 4-4-2 using proper wide men we don't create as much.  using 3 in the middle and one with creative license is a way of getting better possession.  Our best teams in the last 20 years, for entertainment value as well as performance, played without wingers.  In those teams we were "naturally" better down one flank as well when going forward (the right, back in those days).

[BANGKOK RED]

To re-iterate what others have said, it appears as though Easton IS NOT being played as an out and out winger. More of a right sided midfielder.

There is a difference in regards to what is expected from him.

[Tails]

and Easton isn't being played as a winger FFS.  Ardiles' team never had wingers and they weren't bad, not that you can compare now and then as we were quite literally in a different league.  It's just that people to criticise a formation without really knowing what it is.  I guess Malpas could help a little by explaining it, but then again, why does he have to?

Because our fans are idiots?

Unfortunately, a minority (I hope) would still slate him whatever he did.

[BANGKOK RED]

For those who are moaning about Easton on the right, think about it suggest a better alternative.

He could try plaing 4-4-2 with JPM on the right as a winger, but then everybody will moan about JPM not being up to the job.

Or he could say, try  5-3-2, but McNamee will have to be dropped and MM will  get blasted for a poor decision.

4-3-3: with our injuries Moses would have to start which according to some would be the worst footballing decidision in the history of football, and McNamee would have to be dropped again.

With Roberts out there is no out and out winger on the right, so WTF is he supposed to do? Now if he was to play Easton as a Winger on the right then he would be playing him out of position, and for that reason he ISN"T playing him as a winger.

There was a thread on here a while back about the difference between wide midfielders and wingers, and this is a case in example.

[Power to people]

For those who are moaning about Easton on the right, think about it suggest a better alternative.

He could try plaing 4-4-2 with JPM on the right as a winger, but then everybody will moan about JPM not being up to the job.

Or he could say, try  5-3-2, but McNamee will have to be dropped and MM will  get blasted for a poor decision.

4-3-3: with our injuries Moses would have to start which according to some would be the worst footballing decidision in the history of football, and McNamee would have to be dropped again.

With Roberts out there is no out and out winger on the right, so WTF is he supposed to do? Now if he was to play Easton as a Winger on the right then he would be playing him out of position, and for that reason he ISN"T playing him as a winger.

There was a thread on here a while back about the difference between wide midfielders and wingers, and this is a case in example.

JPM is a winger

I think we create more when we have JPM & Mcnamee playing as wingers and hugging the touchline getting crosses into the box.

I think we have players in Paynter & Corr that can take the cross if needs be and hold the ball while bringing others into play

[pauld]

I think we create more when we have JPM & Mcnamee playing as wingers and hugging the touchline getting crosses into the box.

Well that's not how we played on Saturday and we created more on Saturday than I've seen for a long time .... possibly years  

[jayohaitchenn]

I think we create more when we have JPM & Mcnamee playing as wingers and hugging the touchline getting crosses into the box.

Well that's not how we played on Saturday and we created more on Saturday than I've seen for a long time .... possibly years  

a year?

[BANGKOK RED]

JPM is a winger

I think we create more when we have JPM & Mcnamee playing as wingers and hugging the touchline getting crosses into the box.

I think we have players in Paynter & Corr that can take the cross if needs be and hold the ball while bringing others into play

We create more than we did Saturday with easton on the right?

Bearing in mind here that I have to rely on the radio and match reports ect to form an opinion:

I remember well everybody slating JPM's lack of pace and inability to beat his full-back when played as a winger. Which doesn't make him much of a winger IMO as those are two abilities that are instead of a good winger. It's not much point having a winger that can't make it ti the byline to whip that cross in. And of course should MM out him there then it would be a wrong decision by many.

Maybe MM has recognised this and decided to put JPM in the centre to take advantage of his (Supposedly) excellent range of passing.

Either way, it worked on Saturday didn't it?

[BANGKOK RED]

Oh and I aslo remember hearing/reading of JPM continually drifting inside, definately NOT the mark of an out and out winger.

[reeves4england]

i said one of the best. Miguel has done really wel but he will never be smith, who in my opinion is superior. at the moment he is fitting them both in the team, great. i also think Miguel could be used as a right winger in some cases when were stuck as oposed to sticking Easton wide when he clearly is not at ease in that position.

If you take Miguel away from left back, you leave McNamee to deal with the left hand-side on his own in terms of attacking. The reason McNamee is doing so well is the support he gets from Miguel. When Vincent was behind him he struggled

[Bogus Dave]

For those who are moaning about Easton on the right, think about it suggest a better alternative.

He could try plaing 4-4-2 with JPM on the right as a winger, but then everybody will moan about JPM not being up to the job.

Or he could say, try  5-3-2, but McNamee will have to be dropped and MM will  get blasted for a poor decision.

4-3-3: with our injuries Moses would have to start which according to some would be the worst footballing decidision in the history of football, and McNamee would have to be dropped again.

With Roberts out there is no out and out winger on the right, so WTF is he supposed to do? Now if he was to play Easton as a Winger on the right then he would be playing him out of position, and for that reason he ISN"T playing him as a winger.

There was a thread on here a while back about the difference between wide midfielders and wingers, and this is a case in example.

JPM is a winger

I think we create more when we have JPM & Mcnamee playing as wingers and hugging the touchline getting crosses into the box.

I think we have players in Paynter & Corr that can take the cross if needs be and hold the ball while bringing others into play

with the amount of chances we created on saturday that argument just doesn't hold up

[Bogus Dave]

For those who are moaning about Easton on the right, think about it suggest a better alternative.

He could try plaing 4-4-2 with JPM on the right as a winger, but then everybody will moan about JPM not being up to the job.

Or he could say, try  5-3-2, but McNamee will have to be dropped and MM will  get blasted for a poor decision.

4-3-3: with our injuries Moses would have to start which according to some would be the worst footballing decidision in the history of football, and McNamee would have to be dropped again.

With Roberts out there is no out and out winger on the right, so WTF is he supposed to do? Now if he was to play Easton as a Winger on the right then he would be playing him out of position, and for that reason he ISN"T playing him as a winger.

There was a thread on here a while back about the difference between wide midfielders and wingers, and this is a case in example.

Despite living billions of miles away, you've summed it up perfect;y

[Simon Pieman]

Ben - can you get your mate Ed to ask Maurice if he is shit hot at FM?

It could be like the cheese question, but mildly related to football, in a database algorithm kind of way.