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« Reply #60 on: Wednesday, March 12, 2008, 22:42:53 »

Winston Churchill once said something along the liens of.

"Democracy is the worst form of government in the world, except for all the others"

I can't confess to have followed politics in the U.K. that closely and having not  even been there for over 8 years now I may be a bit wide of the mark, but what Sir Winston was getting at is that not everybody can be made happy.

As a smoker and I drinker I agree with taxes been raised in tobbacco, although social and economic implications should be taken into account in regards to alcohol.

One thing that really really bothers me is all the storys about freebies being handed out, both to foreigners and lazy cunt Brit's. That is just wrong wrong wrong.

Before leaving the U.K. for Thailand i was un-employed for 6 months whilst waiting for my house to be sold, and despite being able to do so I did not sign on, as I took the moral stance that if I wanted a job then i could have got one.

Internal politics/issues dont bother me that much as there is no magic answer to all problems, but when GREAT Britain constatntly bow to pressure from the U.S. and the E.U. it pisses me off greatly.

I remember a year or two ago reading about prison guards (Or something like that) not being allowed to display the cross of St. George incase some ethnic minorities find it offensive. And even a suggestion that foorball shirts should not display the cross. WTF!!!!

What I would like to see is a PM/Government stand their ground and say FUCK YOU to the P.C. brigade. This is Britain, it is great and if you don't like it then FUCKOFF!.

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warksred

« Reply #61 on: Wednesday, March 12, 2008, 23:05:37 »

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2. Adopt children.


I`m sure sometime in the future you will be complaining about the inadequencies of the British adoption system and if you have not commenced the adoption process yet your 4 year plan may be too optimistic.

sounds like a case of get want you want from the UK and bugger off again
after all you`d need to be  insane to adopt in the USA
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« Reply #62 on: Wednesday, March 12, 2008, 23:29:58 »

can you adopt in this country then bugger off abroad?  Shocked
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« Reply #63 on: Sunday, March 16, 2008, 15:18:21 »

And now the TED is back I know I can say what a total and utter cunt Alistair Darling is for putting my road tax up from £170 to £260 as of next year.

How the fuck this is fair to retrospectively changes the bands 7 years after the car was new fuck Knows.

Wankey labour, can't wait for them to come canvassing so I can make a few suggestions.
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« Reply #64 on: Sunday, March 16, 2008, 15:29:59 »

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And now the TED is back I know I can say what a total and utter cunt Alistair Darling is for putting my road tax up from £170 to £260 as of next year.

How the fuck this is fair to retrospectively changes the bands 7 years after the car was new fuck Knows.

Wankey labour, can't wait for them to come canvassing so I can make a few suggestions.


Mine's gone down by £10 a year, yay!
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« Reply #65 on: Sunday, March 16, 2008, 15:44:40 »

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And now the TED is back I know I can say what a total and utter cunt Alistair Darling is for putting my road tax up from £170 to £260 as of next year.

How the fuck this is fair to retrospectively changes the bands 7 years after the car was new fuck Knows.

Wankey labour, can't wait for them to come canvassing so I can make a few suggestions.


Its the worst budget since I can remember, id say its the final nail in the coffin, cant wait for an election
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« Reply #66 on: Sunday, March 16, 2008, 22:16:13 »

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Quote from: "Batch"
And now the TED is back I know I can say what a total and utter cunt Alistair Darling is for putting my road tax up from £170 to £260 as of next year.

How the fuck this is fair to retrospectively changes the bands 7 years after the car was new fuck Knows.

Wankey labour, can't wait for them to come canvassing so I can make a few suggestions.


Its the worst budget since I can remember, id say its the final nail in the coffin, cant wait for an election


Those tories will win the next election, which is a bit mental considering how much of a non-party they've become. A lot of the Labour goverment's doings has been pretty much in line with a centre leaning conservative government, which has left them struggling for alternative policies, especially when at the same time they're trying to distant themselves from the slightly more right wing parties like UKIP.

The other problem they have is that they've never really got over the differences of opinion that their members have over Europe. They've gone for the popular line of we're great Britain, referendum la de la. But if it ever came to a proper debate over the subject they'd be in for a bit of party splitage.

They'll struggle horribly if they get into power. The whole economic down turn will leave them with little room to maneuver. It's easy to come up with fun ideas like people having to do a bit of work for their benefits and so on, but sound bite ideas like that aren't just difficult to implement in practice, they don't make much difference economically.

In fact the whole benefit issue is much more complex than the "Grr.. why should I be paying taxes for people to have spending money" line of thought anyway. Benefit money paid out is very quickly re-absorbed into the economy, and it also increases public spending, which simplified means that people can have jobs selling stuff to people on benefits. or something.

Whoever wins the next election is going to struggle. But I don't think this decade long Labour government will be looked back on that badly in a few decades time. Not in the same way as the Tory's last stint anyway. Certainly not domestically anyway. Foreign policy might be a different matter, but the conservatives can hardly claim that they'd have been more moderate.

Your average person now is certainly better off than they were in 1996. Although it has come at a cost. A big one being the huge levels of personal debt that we have. It's been a necessary evil of keeping the country buoyant though. Individuals borrowing money = More Spending = more money going through the system = stronger economy (sort of, simplified).

The trick now will be to keep interest rates low enough not to completely kill off public spending. Although not too low, because the banks are struggling a bit (although they've got other more massive forces at work on them). We've probably hit a point where people are going to borrow less now, whatever the interests rates are, due to the banks being less willing to lend.

If we can keep the level of public debt stable (ie. individual debt levels don't increase too much), some moderately speedy inflation probably isn't a bad thing. It'll hit your average persons buying power pretty hard, but it'll also lessen the real value of their debt, which will give more economy manoeuvrings ability in the longer term.

This all really needs to coincide with a weakening of the pound, it's nice if you go on holiday to America, but the collapsing of the dollar isn't great for the global economy. Unless it falls so badly that the Euro becomes more of a standard, which wouldn't happen over night. Especially when so much of the growing nations rely on exporting to the US. Europe does it's share of importing, but it's not quite there.

So that's badly phrased, probably quite wrong, and horribly simplified economics from ben's head.

Oh the point of quoting was that with a bit of a global struggle on the economics front, we're not facing it too badly. Certainly not compared to America anyway. They're heading in the direction of recession. Oh not that,  I mean that it wasn't that bad a budget.
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« Reply #67 on: Sunday, March 16, 2008, 22:18:17 »

do you have an american spell check on your PC?
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« Reply #68 on: Sunday, March 16, 2008, 22:21:11 »

Yeah, I think I might do, it's where I've been installing the firefox 3 betas.
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« Reply #69 on: Sunday, March 16, 2008, 22:22:22 »

ah, it was maneuvre that gave you away, missed the o out.

how long did that post take by the way? that's quite a commitment.
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« Reply #70 on: Sunday, March 16, 2008, 22:36:46 »

Fuck knows. 30-40mins probably. It started off as just a criticism of the tory cunts. Then went of more of an overview of global economics in relevance to us as a country. There's lots of points which are over simplified to the point of nearly being wrong, and I've been drinking wine all afternoon which hasn't helped. Although it has a bit. If I was going to attempt a post like that sober then I'd be constantly checking sources to check what I was writing. That whole thing was just written off the top of my head. Also Strangely uninfluenced by Radio4, as the only programs I've listened too since the budget have been The Archers (the baby is so going to be disabled of something) and Front Row (which I love to listen to, even if their discussing art and shit).

I think the overriding point of it is, that even over three elected terms, there isn't much leeway to what governments can do. Even as a member of the G8, we're still overbearingly affected by global economic forces outside of our control. Which I'd use as an argument of being more involved in the EU, even if does mean submitting some of our economic powers. It has it's massive flaws, especially when it comes to subsidies for farmers and that shizzle, but if we want to remain a global force in the wake of the rise of China, India, Brazil and the like, then it's better to be a co-operative member; using our diplomatic and economic weight to improve the EU, than to just ignore it and waste away by ourselves.

It's nice to think of good old World Conquering Britain, and we still have massive global clout if you consider how small a nation we are. It won't last forever though, and it's probably best to use it now to set ourselves up for the future as a nation.
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« Reply #71 on: Sunday, March 16, 2008, 22:56:37 »

I think quite a bit of it was wrong. I prefer the one line rants which include the word cunt in  Cheesy
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« Reply #72 on: Sunday, March 16, 2008, 23:00:30 »

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I think quite a bit of it was wrong. I prefer the one line rants which include the word cunt in  Cheesy


and what do you know?

Nah a lot of it is pretty bollocksish, but the point that government spending isn't as simple as (strawman) "If we don't spend this on benefits then it'll cost me less taxes", because it's quite clearly not.
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« Reply #73 on: Sunday, March 16, 2008, 23:06:33 »

I think the main point with Labour that has pissed people off is the 'pay now, tax later' policy, the latter part of the policy coming into effect now.

There were supposedly reserves when Blair became Prime Minister, now we have debts. The Government want people to have less debt but there own is increasing. Politicians are hypocrites.

Well that's the impression I get from the very brief overviews I have read. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of that was factually incorrect. I was planning to have a proper read of all the budget stuff before the Easter weekend.

As for the next general election - I'll see how I feel nearer the time. Nobody is inspiring me with anything remotely like confidence.
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« Reply #74 on: Sunday, March 16, 2008, 23:16:26 »

I'd like to see a Thatcher-esque type in charge again.

Sure she upset alot of people, but she got the fucking job done.

I wonder what would have happened had Blair been in charge when the Argies invaded the Falklands......  

Maggie wasn't afraid to stand up to any cunt, regardless of who she/he/they where and she both took England out of a serious recession and put the Great into Britain.

Again I don't really follow it that closely but for me it all seems to be a case of voting for "The best of a bad bunch" really.

Oh and Gordon Brown turned out to be a bit of a wet blanket didn't he.
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