The Budget

[Jamiesfuturewife]

You know I have to agree with alot of Arribas points  
but Ben - thats the most thought out argument for the other side Ive heard recently

The generation now are the children of children and are growing up with no respect for anyone and the attitude that the world owes them a living.

One thing that annoys me is the amount of Tax I pay on my second job - Im trying to work hard to support myself and make a better life yet its hardly worth my while.

we have been putting the world to rights in the office this afternoon!  

[Don Rogers Shop]

they could cut taxes by huge amounts if they stopped giving hand outs to the scum of our nation.
oh but the pc brigade will keep fighting the low lives corner,whilst complaining about the cost of living.
 :evil:

Nah, most people are just trying to do there best in the world. Loads of these hand-outs are on cool stuff like child benefit. Anyway, scum floats to the top.

if people cannot afford to breed then they shouldn't be firing out kids at the rate they do, and expect the tax payer to feed and put a roof over their heads.
child benefits for the unemployed should be abolished, and help for working familys should be increased.
the balance is all wrong as it is at the moment.

I don't think the way of solving the problems of a poorly educated underclass is to confound them into a cycle of poverty. Yes there is a balance, but you've also got to make an effort not to shut off options for these people to break out. You also have to educate people about these options and raise their expectations on life.

The problem isn't that life on benefits is all wonderful and joyous. It's not that fun and you don't get that much money. It's that people don't know that you can live a better life by working. Mainly because they never experience it.

there are plenty of opportunitys for everybody to get on in britain today.those that dont either cannot be bothered or are better off on the dole firing out kids and living off the tax payer.
the exeptions to that of course should be looked after.some people cannot help what life has thown at them and i would welcome them being supported. but the system is so flawed its an absolute disgrace what going on

You would like this then

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=528630&in_page_id=1770

[Arriba]

actually don rogers, if those polish familys have parents paying into the pot here in taxes then i dont have a problem with it at all.
i'd rather they got child benefit than scummy brits who bleed the system like they do.

[chalkies_shorts]

I'm with arriba on this one. I'm married with 3 kids - wife stays at home to look after the 3 kids. Never had a day on the dole in my life. I'm sick of paying for bloody parasites whose only purpose in life seems to be to breed increasingly more violent parasites. Those who have a disability that prevents them working then we have a collective responsibility to look after them. Immigrants who contribute to society - no problem with them. Its the bloody indigenous layabout bastards that I have a problem with.

[Bushey Boy]

I'm with arriba on this one. I'm married with 3 kids - wife stays at home to look after the 3 kids. Never had a day on the dole in my life. I'm sick of paying for bloody parasites whose only purpose in life seems to be to breed increasingly more violent parasites. Those who have a disability that prevents them working then we have a collective responsibility to look after them. Immigrants who contribute to society - no problem with them. Its the bloody indigenous layabout bastards that I have a problem with.

Totally agree, 100%

[Sippo]

Did anyone see the program last nite on beeb2? Was saying about poles working in peterboro earning £25k+ per year picking butternut squash. They asked people outside the job centre how desperate they were for a job, most said very but refused to do that job. One even said he got paid more (£7 ph) being on the dole!

Pissed me right off.

[Simon Pieman]

But there are also people out there with skills looking for jobs who claim dole money.

Someone I know very well did this a couple of years ago and claimed dole money for about a month or so. He then found a job and has since moved on to a better paid job (which in turn means he contributes more taxes and NI).

A better administered benefits system which is harder to exploit is what is needed.

NI rates haven't changed for years, which is what supports the benefits system.

[Sippo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/white/poles.shtml

[Simon Pieman]

£7 per hour on dole is wrong. It works out at nearer £1.40 per hour on average

[genf_stfc]

actually I've just had a brilliant idea... I'm off to tescos to pick up as many carrier bags as I can get.  When they start charging 5p for them I'll stand out side sainsbury's and flog tesco's ones for 2p.

[Colin Todd]

I'm with arriba on this one. I'm married with 3 kids - wife stays at home to look after the 3 kids. Never had a day on the dole in my life. I'm sick of paying for bloody parasites whose only purpose in life seems to be to breed increasingly more violent parasites. Those who have a disability that prevents them working then we have a collective responsibility to look after them. Immigrants who contribute to society - no problem with them. Its the bloody indigenous layabout bastards that I have a problem with.

Totally agree, 100%

 :goodpost:

[Don Rogers Shop]

As i posted somewhere else

Would it not make sense to get people on benefits to work for their money via the council, this way we save cash on council workers and we give the unemployed routine and confidence to enter the workforce?

If you think living on £70 week is a bonus or a nice career I think you should try it, that £70 has to pay part for your rent, your bills, your food and even thing else you need. So I would imagine that being unemployed is not quite so nice as the right wing suggest.

If this country invested cash in helping working class kids find direction via schools it would help a great deal. I mean why not have more job training in schools as part of GCSEs, if a child is going to get Es & Fs in History or Art then why not get them to train in a career in social health or plumping? or at the very least something to give them encouragement when they enter the workforce.

I am not saying that all these kids are angels but 95% of them just lack direction, and to judge them against Polish immigrants who only come here to money is a little strange, how about we do a program about poverty in Poland and see what their youth are like? Neo Nazis groups are a problem as well as unemployment.

[Fred Elliot]

plumping ?

Can you get a certificate for that ?

[Don Rogers Shop]

I write the longest essay i have ever done and you pick me up on Plumping .

Hard to please  

[Fred Elliot]