Trust/Supporters club

[red macca]

Could someone explain the main differences between these two supporters groups Please.

Also is their any main reason why these to groups could not join forces together making it one massive organization

[Luci]

Is the Supporters club not in conjuction with STFC?  Whereas the Trust is independent of the club?

Just a guess though.

[Colin Todd]

The trust is political and try to infulence the direction of the club

The supporters club...................errrrrrr................ you get discount on SAS buses??

[pauld]

The Trust is explicitly about supporters actively engaging with the club, with the ultimate aim of a directly elected supporter on the board and giving supporters an active independent voice. We also aim to actively engage with the local community/council in order to promote better links between the club/supporters/local council. Both of those aims have been seen by some as being too "political" to fall within the remit of a traditional Supporters' Club which is more about fundraising and taking a very straight non-critical line come what may. Which doesn't mean the two organisations' aims are in conflict in anyway, many people are members of both (like me for example). They are complementary organisations fulfilling two different roles.

[EDIT: with apologies to the SC if anyone feels I've misdefined their role]

[Mexicano Rojo]

i think what pauld is saying the trust is ace, supporters club is cuntish.

[WorcesterRed]

The Trust is explicitly about supporters actively engaging with the club, with the ultimate aim of a directly elected supporter on the board and giving supporters an active independent voice. We also aim to actively engage with the local community/council in order to promote better links between the club/supporters/local council. Both of those aims have been seen by some as being too "political" to fall within the remit of a traditional Supporters' Club which is more about fundraising and taking a very straight non-critical line come what may. Which doesn't mean the two organisations' aims are in conflict in anyway, many people are members of both (like me for example). They are complementary organisations fulfilling two different roles.

[EDIT: with apologies to the SC if anyone feels I've misdefined their role]

I'm confused....which side are the 20 busybodies on? Or is it 10 apiece?

 

[Spencer_White]

The job of the supporters club is to say exactly what the club want to hear. Get the vegetables to the game and home again without anyone pissing themselves.  :twisted:

[pauld]

i think what pauld is saying the trust is ace, supporters club is cuntish.

No, I'm saying they're two different organisations that perform two different roles. And each performs their own role very well.

[Mexicano Rojo]

oh come on paul, we have all heard you say how much you wanted to rape and murder all the board of the supporters club.

id love to have a go on that young nigel, mmmm tickly tache.

[pauld]

<Sigh> Hope the original answer provided some clarity macca.

I've just thought of one other difference actually - AFAIK, the SC don't have any weeping homosexuals on their committee, whereas we have mex  

[redbullzeye]

Didn't know mex was a homo :shock:  Supporting Hampshire's bad enough

[red macca]

Thanks paul and a special thanks to mex  

[Reg Smeeton]

Could someone explain the main differences between these two supporters groups Please.

Also is their any main reason why these to groups could not join forces together making it one massive organization

 The  Supporters Club has been around since the year dot.....in the past its main purpose was to fund raise.....eg the Town End was built with funds raised by the SC.  In return, the club always made "facilities" available for the SC, so there used to be a clubhouse in the Car park near the CGH, until the Arkells was built in 71/72, when the SC got new sooper dooper facilities inside.

  This was, if you like, a traditional situation between the bosses and the workers....the sort of benevolence which saw companies in Swindon provide social facilities for its workers.

  At the CG this situation was still intact into the mid 80's, when the SC could use the Rendezvous Club in the Arkells to host a do for fans and players, with no corporatism or faux corporatism in sight.

  When at this time, the Articles of Association were changed to try and get more money into the club...the Powers that be wasted little time in lobbing the SC out, so that the available space could used by the prawn sandwich brigade.

  Many stalwarts saw the writing on the wall and baled out of supporting at this time.

   This trend towards the unfettering of capitalism in football, meanwhile was leading to the establishment of the fanzine movement, as a counter point to the egotists and chancers who were starting to infect the game...this essentially underground movement was calling for greater consideration of fans involvement in their clubs, over a wide range of issues.

  It eventiually led to the Government sponsored initiative, Supporters Direct, which was set up to encourage the formation of Trusts, so that fans views could be heard...and in some cases take on the running of lower league community clubs.

 There is no reason why these two organisations can't co-operate, other than the fact their raison d'etres are different.

[red macca]

Could someone explain the main differences between these two supporters groups Please.

Also is their any main reason why these to groups could not join forces together making it one massive organization

 The  Supporters Club has been around since the year dot.....in the past its main purpose was to fund raise.....eg the Town End was built with funds raised by the SC.  In return, the club always made "facilities" available for the SC, so there used to be a clubhouse in the Car park near the CGH, until the Arkells was built in 71/72, when the SC got new sooper dooper facilities inside.

  This was, if you like, a traditional situation between the bosses and the workers....the sort of benevolence which saw companies in Swindon provide social facilities for its workers.

  At the CG this situation was still intact into the mid 80's, when the SC could use the Rendezvous Club in the Arkells to host a do for fans and players, with no corporatism or faux corporatism in sight.

  When at this time, the Articles of Association were changed to try and get more money into the club...the Powers that be wasted little time in lobbing the SC out, so that the available space could used by the prawn sandwich brigade.

  Many stalwarts saw the writing on the wall and baled out of supporting at this time.

   This trend towards the unfettering of capitalism in football, meanwhile was leading to the establishment of the fanzine movement, as a counter point to the egotists and chancers who were starting to infect the game...this essentially underground movement was calling for greater consideration of fans involvement in their clubs, over a wide range of issues.

  It eventiually led to the Government sponsored initiative, Supporters Direct, which was set up to encourage the formation of Trusts, so that fans views could be heard...and in some cases take on the running of lower league community clubs.

There is no reason why these two organisations can't co-operate, other than the fact their raison d'etres are different.[/quote]Thats interesting reg so you think further down the line these two groups could work closely together

[Reg Smeeton]

The bottom line is that both organisations want to help the club...

    I'd like to see the Trust being a bit more proactive regarding trying to expose the true nature and intent of the Portugeezers, and so reminding them there will be no easy ride in thier attempot to profit at our loss.