Old World Luggy, New World Little

[RedRedRobin]

PS is a more than competent football manager who builds his teams on trust with his players and gets them playing well for him; you've only got to look at the improvement in the team this season- apart from Sunday that is. That's why he didn't start with his best team on sunday so as to keep faith will the present players. I'm  sure that he knew he wasn't starting with his best possible team. This will however probably turn out to be a selection too far for him and not at all how JL looks at things.

JL is a youngish slightly brash American for whom success is everything. There is nothing wrong with this of course but it's probably why he's kept PS out of the picture as he's only a hired hand and JL's the guy with the money who calls the shots and decides on the management structure; shortsighted and demeaning to PS, but very American and that's partly why they're so successful.

I think that JL's approach and method is more likely to get success for STFC long term than Sturrocks. I was appalled when the team was announced on Sunday; It was time to start winning games. I expected at least JPM and Simon Cox to start and thought Sturrocks attitude was quixotic at least and foolhardy at best. If those two had a full game I doubt that we would have lost.

Whilst on the subject why is PS always so late with his subs? PS can assemble a good team, is  good as a manager and a gentleman but is he not best for the lower leagues and not wholly proven in the higher leagues? Surely that's where we would prefer to be? JL's got us Viera who has a fantastic record and is a proven winner. What about a few gifted continentals joining in January? The only blot on the horizon is that JL I think has said that he will keep the new Stadium with Best Holdings rather than STFC but again it's his money. Already JL has started talking about the premiership and it's clear he means business. When did we last have a Chairman who talked about Div 1 when we were in Div 3?

So what do you prefer for your football Club Old World or New World?

[tans]

Still debating it.

[Digglie]

He probably didn't change the line-up as the team were unbeaten thus far. If you remember last year bringing in a whole load of players at the end of the season provided new impetus to those already playing and it was those players that got us promoted, not Grimes, James et al.

I don't see Little as brash although admittedly that is a traditional description to throw at any American. Sucess is obviously important but it's how success is measured that the fans will care about. If success means making a decent return on investment first and foremost then footballing achievement will not be the priority although some will argue that these go hand in hand. As Sturrock says everyone needs to be singing from the same hymn sheet.

I don't know how you can make conjecture about how sucessful Little's approach and methodology will be in the long-term. It is largely an unknown quantity at this stage. While I'm prepared to give everyone a fair chance, if your asking me who I would plump for today, I would have to say that I prefer Sturrock's tried and tested management, his integrity, honesty and transparency rather than a new regime that I'm not too sure about.

[herthab]

He probably didn't change the line-up as the team were unbeaten thus far. If you remember last year bringing in a whole load of players at the end of the season provided new impetus to those already playing and it was those players that got us promoted, not Grimes, James et al.

I don't see Little as brash although admittedly that is a traditional description to throw at any American. Sucess is obviously important but it's how success is measured that the fans will care about. If success means making a decent return on investment first and foremost then footballing achievement will not be the priority although some will argue that these go hand in hand. As Sturrock says everyone needs to be singing from the same hymn sheet.

I don't know how you can make conjecture about how sucessful Little's approach and methodology will be in the long-term. It is largely an unknown quantity at this stage. While I'm prepared to give everyone a fair chance, if your asking me who I would plump for today, I would have to say that I prefer Sturrock's tried and tested management, his integrity, honesty and transparency rather than a new regime that I'm not too sure about.

Shame Luggy's not got a few spare miillion quid in his bank.

I like Sturrock as a manager but that's all he is.

The new owners have put their money in and have therefore got the right to decide on the direction the club goes.

If that means saying goodbye to Sturrock it will be a pity.

But it won't be the end of the world.............

[Digglie]

All fair points.

I just hope our football club isn't turned into a vehicle we no longer recognise, only time will tell.

[McLovin]

hmmmmmm, new world.

[Batch]

So what do you prefer for your football Club Old World or New World?

I'll compramise and settle for New Order. Shame that won't happen as Hooky and Barnie fell out again and they've split for a second time. Still at least I got to see them live once at Reading..I was jumping up and down then.

What was the question again?

Incidently I was having a conversation about Reading and the Premiership with pissed MrFlemming on Sunday. Would we be happier if we 'did a Reading'. Undecided really. Watching the best teams compete is great and all that, but it comes at a cost. Prices go up, seats are harder to get and the only thing a team outside the big 6 can hope for is survival and perhaps a euro spot if lucky.

Even a chelsea season ticket holding mate gave it up this season, cost and 'been there done that' factors mainly, he wasn't enjoying it as much as the old days.

[sheepshagger]

China Kitchen for me....

[Colin Todd]

I happy to admit I dont understand this thread :?

[red macca]

If Sturrock is happy to work with these people then great i would love him to stay.

If sacrificing sturrock though for financial stability and new stadium etc then i think i would prefer that rather than a manager who is not happy and not really putting in a 100%(im not saying thats what i think is happening) .

A mate of mine who does not support town but knows alot about football said to me earlier that this veiga has been hugely succesful wherever he has been and he thinks exiting times lie ahead for us, He also said that there is no doubt that he is a dodgy character but i suppose 99% of football club owners all are these days

[Power to people]

The concern will be if the new stadium stays with Best Holdings rather than owned by the FC, so in 5 years time they sell up but still own the ground so the FC get's no profit from the ground as it all goes to Best Holdings how can the FC proposer ?

[jayohaitchenn]

The concern will be if the new stadium stays with Best Holdings rather than owned by the FC, so in 5 years time they sell up but still own the ground so the FC get's no profit from the ground as it all goes to Best Holdings how can the FC proposer ?

Then things haven't got any worse have they?

[Digglie]

The ground's owned by Swindon council anyway

[stfctownenda]

PS is a more than competent football manager who builds his teams on trust with his players and gets them playing well for him; you've only got to look at the improvement in the team this season- apart from Sunday that is. That's why he didn't start with his best team on sunday so as to keep faith will the present players. I'm  sure that he knew he wasn't starting with his best possible team. This will however probably turn out to be a selection too far for him and not at all how JL looks at things.

JL is a youngish slightly brash American for whom success is everything. There is nothing wrong with this of course but it's probably why he's kept PS out of the picture as he's only a hired hand and JL's the guy with the money who calls the shots and decides on the management structure; shortsighted and demeaning to PS, but very American and that's partly why they're so successful.

I think that JL's approach and method is more likely to get success for STFC long term than Sturrocks. I was appalled when the team was announced on Sunday; It was time to start winning games. I expected at least JPM and Simon Cox to start and thought Sturrocks attitude was quixotic at least and foolhardy at best. If those two had a full game I doubt that we would have lost.

Whilst on the subject why is PS always so late with his subs? PS can assemble a good team, is  good as a manager and a gentleman but is he not best for the lower leagues and not wholly proven in the higher leagues? Surely that's where we would prefer to be? JL's got us Viera who has a fantastic record and is a proven winner. What about a few gifted continentals joining in January? The only blot on the horizon is that JL I think has said that he will keep the new Stadium with Best Holdings rather than STFC but again it's his money. Already JL has started talking about the premiership and it's clear he means business. When did we last have a Chairman who talked about Div 1 when we were in Div 3?

So what do you prefer for your football Club Old World or New World?

He brought on Mc Govern and Cox with 35 mins to play and Paynter with 20 mins to play on Sunday so I would disagree he brings on subs late.

[Batch]

The concern will be if the new stadium stays with Best Holdings rather than owned by the FC, so in 5 years time they sell up but still own the ground so the FC get's no profit from the ground as it all goes to Best Holdings how can the FC proposer ?

Then things haven't got any worse have they?

Not necessarily true, ask Oxford. We will have blown the oppertunity of a ground redevelopment to benefit the FC. Once done, it's done. We can never go back.

In my book FC get stadium, investors make £££ from assoiciated other redevelopment (shops, housing, whatever) = good

New stadium get build, investors make £££ from assoiciated other redevelopment (shops, housing whatever) AND hold all rights to stadium real estate and revenue streams = bad (if they leave).

All ifs and buts though.