Sounds a good idea to me

[oxford_fan]

In the Windsor area we have a lot of problems with youths around 17-20 age group, they congregate around shops late at night and in the parks, they are a bloody nuisance, when they've had a few cans of beer the becomevery mouthy and can also get pretty violent.
The parks are trashed - broken or burnt benches, and litter especially cans are just thrown all over the place. I really think it would be a great idea to ban under 21s buying alcohol from off-liences.

Surely the answer is to find them something to do, not prohibition. That and a bit of education on alcohol. There seem to be alot of problems like this nowadays and the issue needs addressing from the root cause not somewhere else down the line. Kids need to be set a good example by their parents and brought up with the value of respect for others and surroundings reinstated. That and given a more relevant education.

Yes that sounds about right, trouble is the homelife has changed so much in the last 25 years, you normally have both parents working these days or in a large percentage of cases the parents are no longer together and little Jimmy and Sally get away with murder because mum is too scared to do anything about it.

Both parents may work but someone brings the kids up don't they, it's here that core values are instilled. And I don't buy the view that because parents are busy working they can let their kids be little shits.

Nor is "Mum is too scared to do anything about it" a valid excuse for their behaviour. Seeing a family with 4 kids on the train the other day made me think that perhaps some people really don't want or aren't suited to or ready for kids but assume its the 'done thing'. The Dad really wasn't into it, and four was too many for them to manage (financially and practically).

[oxford_fan]

Remember we are just another American state, you have to be 21 to drink over there, it will happen.
Also obtaining cigarettes you will have to be 18 will come in as well.

Hmm, I see no link between American laws and ours - they have the state system for a start which means laws are different all over the place. In some states its younger than 21 to drink, and I expect in the one's where it is 21 there's plenty of flaunting of the age restrictions - they really aren't that effective.

Agree with the ciggies and wouldn't be surprised if they made it 21 soonish.

[dell boy]

In the Windsor area we have a lot of problems with youths around 17-20 age group, they congregate around shops late at night and in the parks, they are a bloody nuisance, when they've had a few cans of beer the becomevery mouthy and can also get pretty violent.
The parks are trashed - broken or burnt benches, and litter especially cans are just thrown all over the place. I really think it would be a great idea to ban under 21s buying alcohol from off-liences.

Hello Gerald


 

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 :nuts:

[RobertT]

Remember we are just another American state, you have to be 21 to drink over there, it will happen.
Also obtaining cigarettes you will have to be 18 will come in as well.

Hmm, I see no link between American laws and ours - they have the state system for a start which means laws are different all over the place. In some states its younger than 21 to drink, and I expect in the one's where it is 21 there's plenty of flaunting of the age restrictions - they really aren't that effective.

Agree with the ciggies and wouldn't be surprised if they made it 21 soonish.

The US are really strict on alcohol actually.  Anyone looking up to 30 ish gets ID'd, I have been everytime I've been over there (last time being 29).  A totally different culture towards drink exists as well, hence the Spring Break thing over there, where the 21 year olds really do celebrate being able to buy their first drinks.  In the home it may be different, but is certainly policed by the licensee quite strictly.  Shame about their approach to guns really.

I don't agree with the principal idea though.  I thought the Police could use Dispersal Orders anyway.  It is quite odd how the culture of young teens gathering outside a Tesco Express continues to grow though.  I never could understand the draw behind it, maybe if some old grannies started hitting them with their bags, ala Monty Python, things would improve.

[mattboyslim]

In the US me and my mate got served in California and New York, despite beign 23 and im looking quite young, without any ID checks, I kind of assumed this was primarily down to being English though.

[yeo]

Dell isnt Gerald

[land_of_bo]

Remember we are just another American state, you have to be 21 to drink over there, it will happen.
Also obtaining cigarettes you will have to be 18 will come in as well.

Hmm, I see no link between American laws and ours - they have the state system for a start which means laws are different all over the place. In some states its younger than 21 to drink, and I expect in the one's where it is 21 there's plenty of flaunting of the age restrictions - they really aren't that effective.

Agree with the ciggies and wouldn't be surprised if they made it 21 soonish.

The US are really strict on alcohol actually.  Anyone looking up to 30 ish gets ID'd, I have been everytime I've been over there (last time being 29).  A totally different culture towards drink exists as well, hence the Spring Break thing over there, where the 21 year olds really do celebrate being able to buy their first drinks.  In the home it may be different, but is certainly policed by the licensee quite strictly.  Shame about their approach to guns really.

I don't agree with the principal idea though.  I thought the Police could use Dispersal Orders anyway.  It is quite odd how the culture of young teens gathering outside a Tesco Express continues to grow though.  I never could understand the draw behind it, maybe if some old grannies started hitting them with their bags, ala Monty Python, things would improve.

They'd probably just mug the grannies for their pension and use it to buy more mega white.

[oxford_fan]

Remember we are just another American state, you have to be 21 to drink over there, it will happen.
Also obtaining cigarettes you will have to be 18 will come in as well.

Hmm, I see no link between American laws and ours - they have the state system for a start which means laws are different all over the place. In some states its younger than 21 to drink, and I expect in the one's where it is 21 there's plenty of flaunting of the age restrictions - they really aren't that effective.

Agree with the ciggies and wouldn't be surprised if they made it 21 soonish.

The US are really strict on alcohol actually.  Anyone looking up to 30 ish gets ID'd, I have been everytime I've been over there (last time being 29).  A totally different culture towards drink exists as well, hence the Spring Break thing over there, where the 21 year olds really do celebrate being able to buy their first drinks.  In the home it may be different, but is certainly policed by the licensee quite strictly.  Shame about their approach to guns really.

I don't agree with the principal idea though.  I thought the Police could use Dispersal Orders anyway.  It is quite odd how the culture of young teens gathering outside a Tesco Express continues to grow though.  I never could understand the draw behind it, maybe if some old grannies started hitting them with their bags, ala Monty Python, things would improve.

The US is a bloomin massive country, coupled with the different state laws, meaning that the ability to buy alcohol underage varies greatly. In cities its inevitably tougher but i'm sure there are plenty of parts where a 16 year old can walk into a shop and buy it very easily.

Again with culture, this varies considerably.

[Fred Elliot]

Dell isnt Gerald

I know that Yeovil

I was just trying to draw comparison, as its just the sort of thing that Mr Phillips would jump on

[dell boy]

Dell isnt Gerald

I know that Yeovil

I was just trying to draw comparison, as its just the sort of thing that Mr Phillips would jump on

Sounds like a decent bloke!!!

[RobertT]

yep, there will be small differences in the regions, but in the UK is a countrywide culture right now, not just the teens outside shops.  I have to say I am a full part of that culture.

[stfctownenda]

Remember we are just another American state, you have to be 21 to drink over there, it will happen.
Also obtaining cigarettes you will have to be 18 will come in as well.

Hmm, I see no link between American laws and ours - they have the state system for a start which means laws are different all over the place. In some states its younger than 21 to drink, and I expect in the one's where it is 21 there's plenty of flaunting of the age restrictions - they really aren't that effective.

Agree with the ciggies and wouldn't be surprised if they made it 21 soonish.

The US are really strict on alcohol actually.  Anyone looking up to 30 ish gets ID'd, I have been everytime I've been over there (last time being 29).  A totally different culture towards drink exists as well, hence the Spring Break thing over there, where the 21 year olds really do celebrate being able to buy their first drinks.  In the home it may be different, but is certainly policed by the licensee quite strictly.  Shame about their approach to guns really.

I don't agree with the principal idea though.  I thought the Police could use Dispersal Orders anyway.  It is quite odd how the culture of young teens gathering outside a Tesco Express continues to grow though.  I never could understand the draw behind it, maybe if some old grannies started hitting them with their bags, ala Monty Python, things would improve.

Could never understand the enjoyment of drinking at shops either, believe it or not there were kids hanging about Eldene shops on Christmas Day absolutely crazy.  

It just seems so pointless, can you imagine get into school on the Monday, so what did you do at the weekend? Got some booze and hung about outside a closed chippy and co-op it was mental  :|

[RobertT]

I could understand it a bit more there if they got older folk to place bets at the bookies.  Shouldn't they be able to get a drink in the wramer surrounds of the Crumpled Horn anyway?

[stfctownenda]

I could understand it a bit more there if they got older folk to place bets at the bookies.  Shouldn't they be able to get a drink in the wramer surrounds of the Crumpled Horn anyway?

The Crumps a beautiful establishment had many a 'fun' night in there over the years.  There not too receptive to the kids in there and have had 1 or 2 run ins with them over the years.  

Unfortunately don't get to the crump much these days since moving to Old Town, I have heard its struggling and there looking to sell.  As you say the kids could be inventful and get someone to place a bet or do something constructive but there just a pain down there.

Personally didn't see the attraction at that age I was out playing footy with friends or playing computer games at friends houses.

[Arriba]

I could understand it a bit more there if they got older folk to place bets at the bookies.  Shouldn't they be able to get a drink in the wramer surrounds of the Crumpled Horn anyway?

now theres a pub that needs knocking down and rebuilding.what a shit hole!