Browns Government

[McLovin]

I completely agree Jan. And the way they attacked Lebanon earlier in the year was another example of them getting away with murder.

[janaage]

To say Al Jezeera isn't biased against Israel is total and utter bollocks!!

They are an arab tv station and as such have an arab slant.

To say they haven't is stupidity in the extreme.

Al Jazeera (English) is a cracking news channel.  Ok so they may have a slant, who cares the fact is the BBC/CNN/ABC whoever have slants also.  they way you make out anything on Al Jazeera cannot be trusted is crazy, in my opinion.

Herta if you want to carry on saying whatever I say is stupid, or want to continue to patronise, please don't bother, I have better things to do (like work   ).  If you want to have an adult conversation, please continue.

[herthab]

Ok to turn a blind eye as the west does now then?  Currently "we" do nothing to try and stop the Israelli's from carrying out atrocity after atrocity, how any government can be left to get on with that kind of action disgusts me.

How many atrocities have been carried out against Israel?

Is that ok?

Why are you just talking about Israeli atrocities?

Both sides are engaged in a terror war. A terror war that was started by the Arabs. What do you expect Israel to do? Nothing?

[janaage]

I know there have been atrocities on both sides, more recently though the attacks led by the Palestinians have not been state sponsored unlike the Israelli attacks which have been given full military support.

I know any kind of attack is wrong but a 21 st military backed attack against a refugee camp (which is what I have been talking about) is awful.

[janaage]

Ok to turn a blind eye as the west does now then?  Currently "we" do nothing to try and stop the Israelli's from carrying out atrocity after atrocity, how any government can be left to get on with that kind of action disgusts me.

How many atrocities have been carried out against Israel?

Is that ok?

Why are you just talking about Israeli atrocities?

Both sides are engaged in a terror war. A terror war that was started by the Arabs. What do you expect Israel to do? Nothing?

So by your logic the UK should have heavily bombed Eire during our struggles against the IRA?  That would have showed them.  What else could we have done?

[herthab]

I agree that any civilian target is wrong, the palestinians have been targeting civilians for years.

I'm going to step away from this debate as I'm a little to close to it to remain objective.

One final point. Israel is surrounded by hostile countries on all sides, some who openly state that their aim is the total destruction of Israel.

Living in a country like that, it's understandable, imo, why many Israeli's are hostile toward Arabs in general and Palestinians in particular. A lot of Israeli's feel they are fighting for their very existence.

[janaage]

that's fair enough Herta, nice to have a decent debate on the TEF, haven't done that for a while.

My closing comment does not refer to the terror it refers to the two types of Israelli's that I have met in my lifetime.

1st type - fiercely proud of their country, very anti-arab, argumentative, slightly scary.

2nd type (two ex-israelli soldiers) - couldn't give a toss about all the trouble, couldn't give a toss about the politics, just wish they and their families could live in peace.

If the second type ever became a majority (on both sides) the middle east would be a cracking place to be.

[millom red]

Back to Brown.....it will be interesting to see whether his Foreign policies  vary to those of Tony Blair, particilarly with regard to Iraq/Afghanistan, and the more general war on terror.

[STFC Village]

soon itll be gordon brown and george bush in this kind of scenario  :arsekisser:   :shag: , just like tony

Bush will be gone by the end of the year, it'll be Hillary that he'll be jumping into bed with

[Phil_S]

Problem with todays politicians are that they are "Career " politicians. ie they do what they think will keep them in power, not what is best for the country.

[Phil_S]

I agree that any civilian target is wrong, the palestinians have been targeting civilians for years.

I'm going to step away from this debate as I'm a little to close to it to remain objective.

One final point. Israel is surrounded by hostile countries on all sides, some who openly state that their aim is the total destruction of Israel.

Living in a country like that, it's understandable, imo, why many Israeli's are hostile toward Arabs in general and Palestinians in particular. A lot of Israeli's feel they are fighting for their very existence.

Got to agree with you there.  It was the arabs who invaded Israel in the 6 day war, & they took over the Golan Heights, West Bank & Gaza,  because they were easier to defend.
Give the Palestinains some automony, & all they do is fight amongst them selves.

[Simon Pieman]

Problem with todays politicians are that they are "Career " politicians. ie they do what they think will keep them in power, not what is best for the country.

Spot on.

I'd sooner see someone like Hague willing to do his own thing than someone like Blair, Cameron or another spin-doctored dullard at the helm.

[sonic youth]

i've always thought the situation with israel and palestine to be far too complex to break down into good v bad, to attempt to do so is a little foolish imo.

[spacey]

Back to Brown.....it will be interesting to see whether his Foreign policies  vary to those of Tony Blair, particilarly with regard to Iraq/Afghanistan, and the more general war on terror.

Yeah, that's the first thing that I think of when weighing up a new PM. Where does he stand when it comes to blowing shit up!  None of that education, health service bollocks. Lets get straight down to the violent shit. Come on Gordy, how big's your cock?!

[Bushey Boy]

So are you happy Spacey or not? I reckon you support the green party