Browns Government

[fatbury]

I find GB very boring in his speeches to be honest ... sadly "Call me Dave" Cameron isnt much more charismatic.

[Jamiesfuturewife]

I think he is a fat oaf

[jayohaitchenn]

Brown will spend spend spend for the next 6 months, put the country in massive debt while giving us better services and the illusion of progress and change.... then call a general election which he will win because of the changes he has made, and then spend the next 4 years cutting services and raising taxes to pay back the massive debt he has left the treasury in.

That, friends, is a very true story.

[tans]

Brown will spend spend spend for the next 6 months, put the country in massive debt while giving us better services and the illusion of progress and change.... then call a general election which he will win because of the changes he has made, and then spend the next 4 years cutting services and raising taxes to pay back the massive debt he has left the treasury in.

That, friends, is a very true story.

i have to say that is pretty much the nail on the head

[millom red]

I thought he's mission as Middle East peaceman was relating to Israel/Palestine not Iraq?!?

As for John Smith I remember being a Smith-o-phile at the time he seemed like a decent enough bloke.

As for James Gordon Brown, he should call an election and let the British people decide whether we want him as prime minister or not.  He might be a Scot but I think he's a wanker tbh.

The whole region is a hornets nest Jan, with the majority of the problems relating to the  arabs and their failure to recognise Israel.
One of his biggest problems will be dealing with the Fundamentalists who will not/do not recognise Isarel as a legitimate state. One of the biggest threats to israel is Iran, and with their support of the militia in Iraq and elsewhere, the whole convoluted mess is linked.

I agree about Brown calling an election. The country voted Blair and his government in last time around, NOT Brown and his government.

[janaage]

The whole region is a hornets nest Jan, with the majority of the problems relating to the  arabs and their failure to recognise Israel.
One of his biggest problems will be dealing with the Fundamentalists who will not/do not recognise Isarel as a legitimate state. One of the biggest threats to israel is Iran, and with their support of the militia in Iraq and elsewhere, the whole convoluted mess is linked.

I would say a bigger problem is the way Israel have reacted to Palestine in recent years.  I watched a fascinating programme on Al Jazeera the other day about Israel bombing a UN refugee camp in Palestine, on purpose.

[tans]

The whole region is a hornets nest Jan, with the majority of the problems relating to the  arabs and their failure to recognise Israel.
One of his biggest problems will be dealing with the Fundamentalists who will not/do not recognise Isarel as a legitimate state. One of the biggest threats to israel is Iran, and with their support of the militia in Iraq and elsewhere, the whole convoluted mess is linked.

I would say a bigger problem is the way Israel have reacted to Palestine in recent years.  I watched a fascinating programme on Al Jazeera the other day about Israel bombing a UN refugee camp in Palestine, on purpose.

isnt it all tit for tat between israel and palestine, or is to do with religion or what?

[Barnard]

I think he is a fat oaf

I think 'fat oaf' has already been registered as a trademark by John Prescott.

[Iffy's Onion Bhaji]

i hate him. he has been part of Blair's government for the last 10 years. what makes you think anything is going to change?

[herthab]

The whole region is a hornets nest Jan, with the majority of the problems relating to the  arabs and their failure to recognise Israel.
One of his biggest problems will be dealing with the Fundamentalists who will not/do not recognise Isarel as a legitimate state. One of the biggest threats to israel is Iran, and with their support of the militia in Iraq and elsewhere, the whole convoluted mess is linked.

I would say a bigger problem is the way Israel have reacted to Palestine in recent years. I watched a fascinating programme on Al Jazeera the other day about Israel bombing a UN refugee camp in Palestine, on purpose.

isnt it all tit for tat between israel and palestine, or is to do with religion or what?

Yeah if it was on Al Jazeera it must be true.

It's not as if they're anti Israel or anything, is it?
 :roll:

[janaage]

The whole region is a hornets nest Jan, with the majority of the problems relating to the  arabs and their failure to recognise Israel.
One of his biggest problems will be dealing with the Fundamentalists who will not/do not recognise Isarel as a legitimate state. One of the biggest threats to israel is Iran, and with their support of the militia in Iraq and elsewhere, the whole convoluted mess is linked.

I would say a bigger problem is the way Israel have reacted to Palestine in recent years.  I watched a fascinating programme on Al Jazeera the other day about Israel bombing a UN refugee camp in Palestine, on purpose.

isnt it all tit for tat between israel and palestine, or is to do with religion or what?

It is a little tit for tat but the way I see it attacking refugees with missiles fired from helicopters is not the way to seek peace.  It's a little unfair I'd say, and if the roles were reversed and let's say Iran decided to bomb a refugee camp in Israel the western world would go crazy about it.

The western world need to get tough on Israel, if we sorted that out a lot of the Islamic extremist movements would have a huge motivator removed from their recruitment process, imo.

[janaage]

The whole region is a hornets nest Jan, with the majority of the problems relating to the  arabs and their failure to recognise Israel.
One of his biggest problems will be dealing with the Fundamentalists who will not/do not recognise Isarel as a legitimate state. One of the biggest threats to israel is Iran, and with their support of the militia in Iraq and elsewhere, the whole convoluted mess is linked.

I would say a bigger problem is the way Israel have reacted to Palestine in recent years. I watched a fascinating programme on Al Jazeera the other day about Israel bombing a UN refugee camp in Palestine, on purpose.

isnt it all tit for tat between israel and palestine, or is to do with religion or what?

Yeah if it was on Al Jazeera it must be true.

It's not as if they're anti Israel or anything, is it?
 :roll:

If you actually bothered to watch Al Jazeera (English) you'd see that they're as bona fida news channel as any other.  They do concentrate on the Middle East and Asia but there is no bias to their coverage.

Just keep reading the UK papers and watch the UK news channels, it's not like they could ever be biased now is it?   :roll:

The programme I watched centred around Norwegian coverage of events and focussed on the Norweigians and Fijians who saw what happened.  Some gruesome scenes were shown also.

[herthab]

Get tough on Israel?

Think you need to go and review your history books my friend.

Israel has been fighting the arab countries surrounding it pretty much since it's inception.

The UN ratified it as a Nation State in 1947 and then basically left it to die, as the whole arab world attacked. Despite being hugely outnumbered and faced with superior weaponary, Israel survived and is still there. Much to many arab countries disgust.

The Palestinian question is a little cloudy. Palestine as an independent, sovereign state has never existed. It was an idea formulated by the then British Government.

I'm not saying that atrocities haven't been carried out by both sides, but to say that the West needs to get tough on Israel is being overly simplistic.

[janaage]

Ok to turn a blind eye as the west does now then?  Currently "we" do nothing to try and stop the Israelli's from carrying out atrocity after atrocity, how any government can be left to get on with that kind of action disgusts me.

[herthab]

To say Al Jezeera isn't biased against Israel is total and utter bollocks!!

They are an arab tv station and as such have an arab slant.

To say they haven't is stupidity in the extreme.