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« Reply #15 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 13:52:57 »

[quote="Fred Elliot

Good point Jan

Initially we need to prioritise and this certainly is the "now" issue.

I also think that if this is done corectly then the other initiatives you have mentioned will fall into the whole scheme of things anyway.

But we can always do with more troops my friend[/quote]

Yeah I was disappointed to miss this Wednesday's meeting but couldn't manage Tuesday and Wednesday night devoted to the cause, my Mrs would kill me!!  I'll be interested in future meetings though, although that's what everyone says.
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« Reply #16 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 13:55:53 »

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Not what I'm getting at Rich, I just worry that the message (or power) of the trust may get a little diluted by the fact it's got it's fingers in so many STFC related pies.

So what's happening with the Red Army fund for example, is that now finished, what's happening with that money?

The redevelopment issue has gone very quiet too.

So out of the last two campaigns you could say that all the trust has achieved is Michael Proctor for two months.

I'm just being devil's advocate, I am not having a dig by any means.

Just think that there needs to be some focus on it's aims.


oh i see right. yeah thats a fair point. without meaning to sound like Bart does anyone know what is going on with the redevelopment plans?
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« Reply #17 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 13:58:12 »

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[quote="Fred Elliot

Good point Jan

Initially we need to prioritise and this certainly is the "now" issue.

I also think that if this is done corectly then the other initiatives you have mentioned will fall into the whole scheme of things anyway.

But we can always do with more troops my friend


Yeah I was disappointed to miss this Wednesday's meeting but couldn't manage Tuesday and Wednesday night devoted to the cause, my Mrs would kill me!!  I'll be interested in future meetings though, although that's what everyone says.[/quote]

There are other ways of helping Jan, even to the extent of throwing ideas in the pot.

We are lucky in the extenthat we have an untapped pool of knowledge and expertise in all kinds of disciplines within the fan base. We need to utilise that - two heads are better than one etc .........

That is exactly what the Trust is about.

It is run by the fans, for the fans and produces one democratic voice that is agreed with the fans
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« Reply #18 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 14:02:29 »

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Not what I'm getting at Rich, I just worry that the message (or power) of the trust may get a little diluted by the fact it's got it's fingers in so many STFC related pies.

So what's happening with the Red Army fund for example, is that now finished, what's happening with that money?

The redevelopment issue has gone very quiet too.

So out of the last two campaigns you could say that all the trust has achieved is Michael Proctor for two months.

I'm just being devil's advocate, I am not having a dig by any means.

Just think that there needs to be some focus on it's aims.


oh i see right. yeah thats a fair point. without meaning to sound like Bart does anyone know what is going on with the redevelopment plans?


Linkage Rich

http://www.truststfc.co.uk/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=14&t=4922&s=07a43bdb36aee5800057ec9ad82fceda
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« Reply #19 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 14:07:11 »

cheers Fred!
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« Reply #20 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 14:10:02 »

sounds like things are going slow on that then
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« Reply #21 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 14:15:28 »

In all honesty I think there will be a period where SBC will want to sit back and see how the consortium shapes up before commiting to any further intense dialogue.

Thats my feelings anyway ............... and I could be way off mark !
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« Reply #22 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 14:40:16 »

Fred do you think Paul Davis might have brainwashed you while you weren't looking? Tongue
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« Reply #23 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 14:40:49 »

To answer Jan's point, if we seem spread a little thin, we certainly hadn't planned for events to work out the way they have done. Start of the season our focus was finishing off consultation work on ground redevelopment proposals, fund-raising and membership drive/profile raising for the Trust, and obviously trying to hold some collection days/auctions etc for the Red Army Fund.

But the turn of recent events has focused attention on the very core of what the Trust is all about - fans getting involved in the issues over how their club is run and if necessary taking an active role to ensure the club is well run. We could hardly have said "Oooh, I don't know, you know. It's an important issue and all, but we're a bit tight at the moment" (and when I've quite finished being a smartypants, I do know you didn't mean that). So, yes, potentially we run the risk of being spread bit thin. Or we would were it not for the fact that so many people have stepped up to the plate over this issue - the likes of Fred et al mean we're going to be able to run with this at full tilt and that's been sorely needed for a while now, tbh.

As to the issue as to whether we lose focus/confuse people, I certainly hope not. I think it's probably true to say that for the near future, the Red Army Fund may get pushed out of the picture a little. But the issue of the ground redevlopment proposals and the non-football management side of the club as I see it are just two different aspects of the same thing - a safe and stable future for our club. And coincidentally the continued failure of the current regime to even vaguely engage with the council and the likelihood that they will continue to screw things up is one of the main reasons a fan-backed consortium is so necessary - if we let Dunwoody stay in charge we run the real risk of never getting a chance at redeveloping the CG. They've screwed up 2 shots at redevelopment already, and if they're allowed to screw up a 3rd we may not get another chance for a decade or more.

And FWIW, although it might have gone quiet in public on the ground redev, we've been working very hard behind the scenes to consult with council and councillors/local politicos, local residents, community groups, club etc to formulate a framework that everyone will find acceptable.

So, while I take your point, I hope we can manage both - argue the case to the fans that we need a change in direction in the non-football management of the club; while arguing to the town as a whole that the football club (like the council) is an ongoing institution, irrespective of who is in charge, that it is a part of the fabric of our community and that a strongly community focused redevelopment around the County Ground (as opposed to, say, building a load of houses on public space for private profit) is something that will be of benefit to the whole town and should proceed, with suitable safeguards, irrespective of who is in charge of the football club.

Granted, it's a bit of a tough ask, but we've never been shy of a bit of a challenge  Cheesy  Who else is up for it?

Seriously, they're reasonable questions and I hope I've answered them. If anyone got this far  Cheesy
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« Reply #24 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 14:45:03 »

Good answer Paul.  Cheers.

To be honest I see it as part of the plan for us as fans to let you fella's know if interest/direction seems to be getting lost along the way, because that would be cancerous to the cause!!
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« Reply #25 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 14:50:18 »

Quote from: "Yeovil Red"
Fred do you think Paul Davis might have brainwashed you while you weren't looking? Tongue


 Yes

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« Reply #26 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 14:57:06 »

To be fair, I'd have to find his brain before I could wash it .....
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« Reply #27 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 14:57:42 »

Fair point !
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« Reply #28 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 14:58:26 »

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Good answer Paul.  Cheers.

To be honest I see it as part of the plan for us as fans to let you fella's know if interest/direction seems to be getting lost along the way, because that would be cancerous to the cause!!

Yup. That's why we held the meeting the other night. And why I post long rambling post-Friday lunchtime replies to stuff ;-)

Keep us honest, Jan!
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« Reply #29 on: Friday, September 29, 2006, 15:52:20 »

Dear All

Please let me know how I can be off assistance. I would dearly love to be constructively involved. I live in London but for years was based (and grew up) in the Swindon area, so have supported the Town for over 30 years now. I have a good business mind etc and enjoy working together which is obviously paramount to move things forward with something like this. Please let me know how I can help
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