the great british legal system...

[DMR]

... does make me wonder?

does the judge have a fetish for pre-pubescent shildren too?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/5073486.stm

when's life going to mean life?

[flammableBen]

Punishment is good as a deterrent (sorry about spelling), but with crimes like that I'd say it's more down to the bloke having some pretty bad psycological problems. If he can be psychiactrically treated then why shoudn't he be released. I think it's as a good example of a need to help people sort out there lives rather than let them rot in a jail cell.

Of course, I'm a soft liberal who doesn't believe that anybody is naturally evil.

[sonic youth]

Punishment is good as a deterrent (sorry about spelling), but with crimes like that I'd say it's more down to the bloke having some pretty bad psycological problems. If he can be psychiactrically treated then why shoudn't he be released. I think it's as a good example of a need to help people sort out there lives rather than let them rot in a jail cell.

Of course, I'm a soft liberal who doesn't believe that anybody is naturally evil.

and cue dave...

[red macca]

Punishment is good as a deterrent (sorry about spelling), but with crimes like that I'd say it's more down to the bloke having some pretty bad psycological problems. If he can be psychiactrically treated then why shoudn't he be released. I think it's as a good example of a need to help people sort out there lives rather than let them rot in a jail cell.

Of course, I'm a soft liberal who doesn't believe that anybody is naturally evil.

im not trying to sound cocky or anything.but as someone who has spent a short while in prison(in my bad days) im sorry ben but prison is not a deterrent.it is the most cushty experience you are likely to ever encounter.it is a fuckin joke tbh.i would say though that they should stop all your luxurys when your there because i think this would change things totally this is the order of day for about 9/10 inmates

1)wake up put telly/radio on
2)have breakfast
3)exercise
4)gym 1hr then 5aside football-every day
5)lunch
6)education (20 blokes in a room having a laugh) although i took it serious and got a distinction in english
7)gym again
8)tea
9)eastenders,corrie footy whatever is on YOUR TELLY

awful isnt it :roll:

[Amir]

It is largely ignored that the vast majority of paedophiles abuse within their own family/close friends and/or have been abused themselves as a child.  All the papers want to tell you is to lock your kids up, don't give them a chance to be a little bit streetwise and know when something is up.

The reactionary part of me thinks that anyone who has commited an act like this should never see the light of day again, as I don't trust in the opinion of quacks to say someone has 'changed'.  The key here I think is trying to break the cycle of abuse rather than monsterising individuals.

[Amir]

How long where you in for, if you don't mind me asking, macca?  People I know who've been inside always say the longer you're in the better you are treated as well, playstations in your cell etc.

[flammableBen]

Red Macca:
One of the points I was trying to make is that there is no point in punishment just for the sake of it (other than as a detterent), and if it's as easy as you say then it's not even doing that. It might not be easy to do, but surely education and rehabilitation is a better option, otherwise you're going to have to pay for all criminals to spend time in prison indefinately - as they'll just re-offend.

Amir:
Yeah, it's much easier to sell papers on the whole "You've got to look after your kids or they'll be raped by some wierdo down the park" than it is on the "Be careful you might decide to rape your teenage daughter/neice/son/nephew/etc. one day"

[red macca]

How long where you in for, if you don't mind me asking, macca?  People I know who've been inside always say the longer you're in the better you are treated as well, playstations in your cell etc.

6mnths and four months amir and yes your right about play stations etc..i see what your trying to say ben and your right but the truth is for every high profile peado case we here about there are probably another 100 cases of people being sent to prison because they see it as a place where they feel safe they are amongst mates etc.until we start taking the prisoners human rights away prison will never be the right punishment which is a shame because if it was run properly its the best option

[DMR]

I can't believe anyone buys that rubbish, that all paedophiles are poor fucked-up victims themselves. If he is a headcase, why did he keep her in the car at 120mph rather than just use her for his gratification- risking her life. He's already convicted Ben for heavens sakes, why isn't he being supervised, and evidently he's beyond reform.

Sick fuck, throw away the key.

[red macca]

I can't believe anyone buys that rubbish, that all paedophiles are poor fucked-up victims themselves. If he is a headcase, why did he keep her in the car at 120mph rather than just use her for his gratification- risking her life. He's already convicted Ben for heavens sakes, why isn't he being supervised, and evidently he's beyond reform.

Sick fuck, throw away the key.

spot on dave.unfortunatly he will be kept away from inmates unless they are also sicko,s take there own exercise etc..imo if you are that sick in the first place you cannot be helped..charles bronson has been in isolation for 15 years for being a hard bastard and a nutter and cant even move his own arms.yet someone as sick as this fucker can be out in 5 years

[Amir]

I know of at least four people who seem to really like prison, although I'm sure that is mostly down to their state of mind and the way they live when they're free as anything.

[flammableBen]

How long where you in for, if you don't mind me asking, macca?  People I know who've been inside always say the longer you're in the better you are treated as well, playstations in your cell etc.

6mnths and four months amir and yes your right about play stations etc..i see what your trying to say ben and your right but the truth is for every high profile peado case we here about there are probably another 100 cases of people being sent to prison because they see it as a place where they feel safe they are amongst mates etc.until we start taking the prisoners human rights away prison will never be the right punishment which is a shame because if it was run properly its the best option

Completely a change of the prison system is neccasary(sp? - I can never fucking spell that, especially after a few beers). I guess there's a fair bit of help when you leave prison allready, but getting people re-introduced into society has got to be a massive priority. It's a weird one though, the more you take away stuff which allows inmates access to the outside world, the more they'll find it harder to adjust when they get out. I don't have any personal experience though, and of course I wouldn't include playstations in that.

I can't believe anyone buys that rubbish, that all paedophiles are poor fucked-up victims themselves. If he is a headcase, why did he keep her in the car at 120mph rather than just use her for his gratification- risking her life. He's already convicted Ben for heavens sakes, why isn't he being supervised, and evidently he's beyond reform.

Sick fuck, throw away the key.

I'm not arguing that he shouldn't be under supervision, I just think it's a pretty sad state of affairs when the only solution is to 'throw away the key'.

[DMR]

Ben, if your saying therefore that I've got to accept that some individuals have deep-rooted issues that impact on their actions then of course this exists. But on the flip side, there's no evidence of this in this case is there- you in turn have to accept that some people are just nasty pieces of work.

Perhaps you could say the legal system failed him, it didn't set it right. I prefer to say that it failed the 3 year old girl who was subjected to kidnap, rape and torture and the hands of a man the law saw fit to walk the streets.

[sonic youth]

not every sex offender/paedophile is exactly the same as the bloke in this case, who is undoubtedly a disturbed, fucked up and sick individual who should probably be put down for the sake of humankind.

i'm agreeing with ben on this to an extent, if life in prison is so lenient then more should be done to rehabilitate all offenders, whether it be serial killers/sex offenders or petty thieves, as well as having their liberties and luxuries taken away from them. prison should be about punishment AND rehabilitation, i'm not talking about taking away a person's human rights but they should be given what they need and barely little more.

the current system just seems to be about locking people up then letting them out asap so there's enough room for the next batch of young offenders or re-offenders.

i'm in complete agreement that sentences are far too lenient - especially in this case - but as it stands it's all just a complete waste of time.

macca, was your time in jail related to your footy ban?

[Amir]

If he is a headcase, why did he keep her in the car at 120mph rather than just use her for his gratification- risking her life

Did you read that through before you posted it?

If you see what I said, I don't personally think in that sort of circumstance it is safe for it to be descirbed as treatable.  Yet to ignore all evidence of the reasons behind people's actions is stupid, and will result in no further answers/solutions at all.