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Title: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 07:36:23
Don’t know if many are interested, but there is a whole host of stats available nowadays so I thought I’d post a few here.

Ben Garner’s @Official_STFC boast the highest average possession (57.9%) in @SkyBetLeagueTwo as well as the best pass completion rate (80.9%).

Meanwhile, the Robins have won the fewest aerial duels per game (15) in the fourth tier #STFC

Entrances into opponent's box (LG2: 2021/22) 📥⤵️

85 - Mansfield
78 - Salford
77 - Bradford
71 - Forest Green
69 - Rochdale
57 - Carlisle
56 - Port Vale
56 - Walsall
53 - Swindon
53 - Barrow

Here’s a surprising one

League Two 2021/22 Passes Completed:

1. Dion Conroy - 257
2. Jason Lowe - 249
3. Aaron Morley - 226
4. Stephen McLaughlin - 217
5. Matty Lund - 212



Title: Re: Stats
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 07:41:56
Statto, Statto, Statto.....


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 07:43:14
Statto, Statto, Statto.....


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 07:44:01
I don't like that Mansfield stat  >:(
Then again they have played Bristol 'wooden spoon' Rovers already.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 07:53:30
I don't like that Mansfield stat  >:(
Then again they have played Bristol 'wooden spoon' Rovers already.

Had a bit of bants with a gas head at the depot yesterday. I told him that Barton should stop hitting his missus and get their forwards hitting the net instead otherwise they’ll be National League next season. He did say they were in for a torrid time but was confident they’d finish above the drop but below half way. On current form they’re going down but I think he’s right. I also told how we laughed at their walk fest over the PPP and TBF he said that was a fair summary of how he saw it but thought there were better options for them to get in but didn’t elaborate who. In any case I didn’t have that much time to gas with the gas so left it there, he is a decent level headed young chap though and nowhere near a thug.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 08:46:37
Be interesting to see the breakdown of how Mansfield enter the opposition box - particular as we’ve won the fewest aerial duals.

If they are pumping it in high - either centrally or from outwide they could cause us problems.

However, I’m guessing the ‘aerial duals’ stat is a number rather than a percentage? So potentially we aren’t winning aerial duals because we are having so much possession.

Infact - just because we’ve won the fewest aerial duals in total doesn’t even mean we have a poor percentage of winning those aerial duals...


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 08:53:23
Just spotted a name change  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 09:31:31
The Conroy stat isn't really so surprising Aud, when Town tend to play the ball out from the back regularly.

Just from that it hints toward the player/s is/are playing to some form of coherent instruction or for better words "game plan"; unlike last season when Johnny Alcoholic took the reins.

Town's CBs should have a high pass completion rate (if good at passing) compared to teams that play hoofball obviously. It also might nod towards the Town defence allowing teams to create more chances though. Thankfully at present those attacks are not resulting in many goals conceded - so by design, Conroy and any other defenders are having more opportunities to pass the ball.

It would be interesting to know Towns number of goal kicks to date too. It should correlate fairly nicely with the Conroy passing stat.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 10:09:10
Entrances into opponent's box  :girlgiggle: :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Moss on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 10:41:51
Entrances into opponent's box  :girlgiggle: :girlgiggle:

Reminds me of the Brian Moore commentary classic "and Seaman's dribbling out of the box"   :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 10:49:00
Reminds me of the Brian Moore commentary classic "and Seaman's dribbling out of the box"   :girlgiggle:
I like the old cricket classic, the bowlers Holding the batsmans Willey.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 10:56:00
.

https://youtu.be/9VCJVZ2I9zY


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 30, 2021, 05:48:18
Top of the tippy tappy table!

10+ pass sequences from open play (LG2: 2021/22) 🔥

45 - Swindon
37 - Tranmere
36 - Forest Green
35 - Stevenage
33 - Salford
31 - Rochdale
24 - Leyton Orient
21 - Mansfield
20 - Walsall
19 - Colchester
17 - Oldham
17 - Bristol R

Dion Conroy stays top of the completed passes table, too.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, August 30, 2021, 09:10:31
This can be used to passing and possession equally.

(https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-possession-means-nothing-when-the-opponent-takes-its-chances-franz-beckenbauer-70-54-21.jpg)

Luckily in L2 they don't have the finishing quality of the players in L1 or it could be a different story as they tend to punish mistakes far more often, long may it continue.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 30, 2021, 09:16:04
Ain’t that the truth. Wonder how we’d get on in L1 playing as we do.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, August 30, 2021, 09:25:33
Ain’t that the truth. Wonder how we’d get on in L1 playing as we do.
TBH I think every team we have played so far in L2 barring Scunthorpe who were dreadful, should probably have scored at least 2 goals witht he chances created.

We seem to be putting away most of the clear cut chances we have created so though, last season we created a similar number of chances per game but almost every time the opposition had a shot it went in or every mistake we made was capitalized upon too.

I think thats THE main difference between teams in L1 and L2, which is why a team with a good 20+ goal scorer in their team will almost always be challenging near the top of L2, not that every team who finish top or near the top will have one of those players but fringe sides who do have one will have a good season (Cambridge with Mullins last year, Tranmere with Norwood before that etc) you could also argue that we wouldnt have won the league without Doyles goals.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Monday, August 30, 2021, 09:35:44
However, we did have an experienced right back.
 (RIP Reg)


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 30, 2021, 09:53:25
Strange how stats don’t tell anywhere near the right story



Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Nemo on Monday, August 30, 2021, 10:11:34
Strange how stats don’t tell anywhere near the right story

Alternative data sources don't really agree - https://twitter.com/xG_data/status/1431891875062030337

I'm generally more positive on xG than most on here, but I suspect at L2 level the data gathering is... not as comprehensive as it might be in the top tiers.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 30, 2021, 10:14:00
Here’s another one

Most carries* per 90 (LG2: 2021/22) 🤤⤵️

19 - Liam Feeney
18 - Alex Newby
18 - Harry McKirdy
18 - Charles Vernam
18 - Jack Payne
18 - Abraham Odoh
16 - Dylan Bahamboula
15 - Callum McManaman
15 - Kaine Kesler

(data @OptaAnalyst)


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: AMayesIng on Monday, August 30, 2021, 10:20:55
Interesting stuff; although football stats are a little more subjective than, say, cricket stats. And as some have said; they don't always tell the whole story. e.g. shots 'on' and 'target'; speculative soft shot easily gathered by keeper = Shot On target. Screamer hits the post with keeper well beaten = Shot Off Target. Also, who collates all this stuff? Assume someone somewhere must have the job of watching on video every minute of every game with a list of all the players?


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, August 30, 2021, 10:42:19
The only stats that matter are the ones that appear in the league table.

We seem to be most dangerous when we turn over possession and do short sharp passing moves to get into dangerous positions which make the passing stats a bit of red herring. All these passes from Conroy and 10 plus passing moves are invariably sideways and backwards inside our own half until invariably we end up boxed in and effectively have to just get rid. I get why we do it to try and get control of the game but in an attacking sense it’s achieving very little and a lot of the passing just seems to be passing for the sake of it and taking unnecessary risks at the back.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 30, 2021, 11:22:03
is Callum McManaman son of/related to Steve?


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, August 30, 2021, 11:48:43
is Callum McManaman son of/related to Steve?

Distant but apparently not even met.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: tans on Monday, August 30, 2021, 11:49:03
Distant relative


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, August 30, 2021, 11:50:39
is Callum McManaman son of/related to Steve?
Nope, not close.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 30, 2021, 12:52:10
ah ok


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, September 1, 2021, 12:04:23
Interesting to see the stats on a monthly basis as the season goes on, per match doesn't tell a story but I'm sure over a month we may see some sort of pattern emerging


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 6, 2021, 11:40:45
Chances created (LG2: 2021/22) 🪄⤵️

42 - Rochdale
41 - Bradford
37 - Leyton Orient
35 - Salford
34 - Mansfield
33 - Swindon
33 - Harrogate
32 - Forest Green
32 - Northampton
30 - Bristol Rovers
27 - Oldham
26 - Exeter

Most chances created (LG2: 2021/22) 🧙‍♂️👇

12 - Stephen McLaughlin
10 - Callum Cooke
9 - Aaron Morley
9 - Andy Cook
9 - Theo Archibald
9 - Jack Payne
8 - Sam Hoskins
8 - George Thomson
8 - Josh Morris
7 - Charles Vernam


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, September 6, 2021, 11:47:17
As somebody else mentioned already, 'chance' is ambiguous.

It might mean having only the keeper to beat in the box or a speculative shot from distance. Seeing how many 'chances' other teams have against us may also add some perspective.

Don't get me wrong, I think we need more urgency, but I don't think stats tell the whole story.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 13:39:40
The complete, and I mean complete, stats for the Stevenage game. What a resource.


https://eflanalysis.com/analysis/the-efl-stats-gallery-league-two-stevenage-vs-swindon-town


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 14:22:01
The complete, and I mean complete, stats for the Stevenage game. What a resource.


https://eflanalysis.com/analysis/the-efl-stats-gallery-league-two-stevenage-vs-swindon-town

I am a sucker for stats. Thanks for this!


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 17:48:26
The complete, and I mean complete, stats for the Stevenage game. What a resource.


https://eflanalysis.com/analysis/the-efl-stats-gallery-league-two-stevenage-vs-swindon-town

Thanks - this is great

Theres been alot moaning about Gladwin which I thought was harsh as he's a unique type of player.  The stats clearly highlight what he is good at, particularly in terms of passes into the box and chances created.   He takes risks and messes up occasionally but need to balance that against the successes.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 17:51:29
The complete, and I mean complete, stats for the Stevenage game. What a resource.


https://eflanalysis.com/analysis/the-efl-stats-gallery-league-two-stevenage-vs-swindon-town

Amazing information thanks for sharing


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 18:51:08
there are lies damned lies and statistics


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: AMayesIng on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 20:40:18
That's an insane amount of info. Fascinating stuff though. Anyone care to translate 'Expected Threat' and 'Smart Passes'? Is there a chart for how many times the 'Get in FORWAAAARD' guy shouts 'Get it FORWAAAARD' per game. xGiF?


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 11:21:22
Here lies the problem

Entrances into the opponent's box (LG2: 2021/22) 📥

134 - Mansfield
125 - Rochdale
108 - Salford
107 - Bradford
100- Exeter
100 - Port Vale
99 - Forest Green
99 - Carlisle
95 - Leyton Orient
94 - Tranmere
93 - Swindon
93 - Barrow


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 11:30:39
Entrances into the opponent's box

Manchester Road...300 per night!


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 12:59:06
Manchester Road...300 per night!
Jesus Christ, JJ! That’d be for a month, shirley!


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 8, 2021, 12:10:47
League Two Accurate Short Passes:

1⃣ D. Conroy - 578
2⃣ R. Crichlow - 479
3⃣ L. Reed - 467
4⃣ J. Lowe - 424
5⃣ A. Morley - 404
6⃣ E. O'Connell - 400
7⃣ A. Odimayo - 389
8⃣ J. Falkingham - 352


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 8, 2021, 12:14:57
League Two Accurate Short Passes:

1⃣ D. Conroy - 578
2⃣ R. Crichlow - 479
3⃣ L. Reed - 467
4⃣ J. Lowe - 424
5⃣ A. Morley - 404
6⃣ E. O'Connell - 400
7⃣ A. Odimayo - 389
8⃣ J. Falkingham - 352
I see 4 names on that list that we will be making an offer for in January....


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, October 8, 2021, 12:17:40
League Two Accurate Short Passes:

1⃣ D. Conroy - 578
2⃣ R. Crichlow - 479
3⃣ L. Reed - 467
4⃣ J. Lowe - 424
5⃣ A. Morley - 404
6⃣ E. O'Connell - 400
7⃣ A. Odimayo - 389
8⃣ J. Falkingham - 352
Do they have a heat map to complement this showing where these passes were made or where teams enjoy the majority of their possession? That would tell the real story.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: DiV on Friday, October 8, 2021, 13:09:22
Do they have a heat map to complement this showing where these passes were made or where teams enjoy the majority of their possession? That would tell the real story.

We know where they are made. Between the edge of our box and the D of the centre circle & between each other!

Don’t need a heat map for that. Just eyes.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, October 8, 2021, 13:29:32
We know where they are made. Between the edge of our box and the D of the centre circle & between each other!

Don’t need a heat map for that. Just eyes.
You know that, I know that but the club pedals it like we’re prime Barcelona.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, October 8, 2021, 13:49:23
and for balance you pedal it like it's not working


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, October 8, 2021, 14:44:11
and for balance you pedal it like it's not working
Well it doesn't at home does it....  Teams are happy to let us pass around at the back at our place where there's no pressure on them to be on the front foot and we achieve very little from it.  Away from home it works as we aren't expected to be on the front foot and it frustrates the opposition who want to be on the front foot.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, October 8, 2021, 15:25:09
and for balance you pedal it like it's not working
You know that, I know that but the club pedals it like we’re prime Barcelona.

Peddle. It's peddle.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, October 16, 2021, 03:12:57
☄ Most accurate long balls in 2021/22 (top 4 tiers; OUTFIELD players):

7⃣7⃣: 🎯@louissreed (73%*)🎯
7⃣2⃣: Oliver Norwood (71%)
7⃣1⃣: Ricardo Santos (53%)
6⃣9⃣: Jack Whatmough (48%)
6⃣7⃣: Dion Conroy (60%)
6⃣5⃣: Jack Powell (46%)

* long pass completion %


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, October 16, 2021, 05:52:01
Here lies the problem

Entrances into the opponent's box (LG2: 2021/22) 📥

134 - Mansfield
125 - Rochdale
108 - Salford
107 - Bradford
100- Exeter
100 - Port Vale
99 - Forest Green
99 - Carlisle
95 - Leyton Orient
94 - Tranmere
93 - Swindon
93 - Barrow

But where are Mansfield, Rochdale & Salford in the league!


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, October 16, 2021, 06:26:54
That was from a month ago. Things change - and they certainly have for STFC. It’s been noticeable that when going forward there are more players taking up forward positions instead of just Simpson and a couple hanging around on the periphery.

It was difficult to see at the time how the team would evolve - or if it could. Me, and a few others, look like we were wrong.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, October 16, 2021, 10:08:49
Looks like a big crowd in terms of home fans today, let’s hope today is the day we finally turn up for a home match.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, October 16, 2021, 10:11:44
Looks like a big crowd in terms of home fans today, let’s hope today is the day we finally turn up for a home match.
I think fans especially at home crave that bt of excitement, that little spark of genius thats been missing a lot so far at home, McKirdy can suupply that based on current form and could become a real cult hero if it comes off.

Dabre would also get the crowd going if he came off the bench for the last 10 mins but probably without as much direct impact as harry, he would though pick the ball up and run at players and get the crowd behind the team with that bit of excitement.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: DiV on Saturday, October 16, 2021, 14:33:32
That was from a month ago. Things change - and they certainly have for STFC. It’s been noticeable that when going forward there are more players taking up forward positions instead of just Simpson and a couple hanging around on the periphery.

It was difficult to see at the time how the team would evolve - or if it could. Me, and a few others, look like we were wrong.

The addition of Harry McKirdy to the team has given us exactly what we were lacking.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, October 17, 2021, 10:26:01
The addition of Harry McKirdy to the team has given us exactly what we were lacking.
It's a shame he got injured when he did.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 12:35:21
Most chances created (LG2: 2021/22) 😎⤵️

78 - Forest Green
74 - Rochdale
69 - Bradford
68 - Swindon
67 - Salford
66 - Sutton
64 - Leyton Orient
64 - Exeter
64 - Northampton
61 - Harrogate
58 - Port Vale
54 - Mansfield


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 13:03:34
Most chances created (LG2: 2021/22) 😎⤵️

78 - Forest Green
74 - Rochdale
69 - Bradford
68 - Swindon
67 - Salford
66 - Sutton
64 - Leyton Orient
64 - Exeter
64 - Northampton
61 - Harrogate
58 - Port Vale
54 - Mansfield
These though are the stats that really count.

Chances converted.
23 - Harrogate
22 - FGR
19 - Port Vale
19 - Orient
18 - Exeter
17 - Sutton
16 - Bradford
16 - Barrow
16 - Swindon
15 - Newport

These tie in very much closer to league position too in the main, with just Tranmere and Northampton in the top 10 teams not represented.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 13:26:16
Interestingly enough, with the amount to effort, technology, staff and probably cash, Garner and his management team have at their disposal, they will be acutely aware of all this. What they do about it and when is going to be the key.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 14:14:08
May be wrong here, but the 2-2 on Saturday. I don’t remember either keeper making a save.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 14:16:17
May be wrong here, but the 2-2 on Saturday. I don’t remember either keeper making a save.

I do. The stats say your memory is failing.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 14:23:48
McKirdy's one on one being a prime example.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 14:49:48
McKirdy's one on one being a prime example.

And their free header from a corner that went straight at Ward. Among others.

Audrey's having a nightmare, statistically.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 15:04:24
I missed the McKirdy one and a header straight at the keeper isn’t a save surely. It’s a catch!

I was thinking the FGR type saves.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 15:06:59
I missed the McKirdy one and a header straight at the keeper isn’t a save surely. It’s a catch!

I was thinking the FGR type saves.

Some are a high degree of certainty saves, but we've had enough dodgy keepers in the past three years or so to never count your chickens.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 19, 2021, 02:46:43
For those of us who regularly shout ‘Just hit the fucking thing’ as we appear to want to walk the ball into the net, here’s an interesting stat



Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, November 19, 2021, 08:23:23
Trouble is that the stats are skewed by the fact that we hit it from distance or lose it when trying to walk it in.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, November 19, 2021, 09:05:40
Trouble is that the stats are skewed by the fact that we hit it from distance or lose it when trying to walk it in.
The stats are skewed by the facts?


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, November 19, 2021, 09:40:14
Football is becoming submerged into technical bollocks.
Load of old shite ........
Makes me laugh - Possession stats 65% v 35% and yet the team with 35% wins the game.
You finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd and you win promotion as simple as that.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, November 19, 2021, 09:44:47
The same with all this modern fitness data telling you how far players run etc. Look back at games in the 70's & 80's when teams played with wingers on muddy pitches and tell me they weren't fit!


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, November 19, 2021, 11:55:50
(https://c.tenor.com/74lPb8mSRQMAAAAC/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud.gif)


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 19, 2021, 12:04:51
The same with all this modern fitness data telling you how far players run etc. Look back at games in the 70's & 80's when teams played with wingers on muddy pitches and tell me they weren't fit!
Most of them were half pissed and full of fish ‘n chips before they trotted out


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, November 19, 2021, 12:08:25
But they were still able to play for 90 minutes and didn't roll around like the modern player 


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 19, 2021, 12:48:05
That’s because they didn’t have to run. Nobody ran. Every player was within kicking distance.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, November 19, 2021, 12:53:09
The wingers did the running and the big lumps up front scored the goals😀


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:02:23
There’s a reason George Graham was called Stroller


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:03:56
Kammy used to run a lot!


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:24:57
TBF Macari was our first ever manager who made a big point about fitness, he MADE every player run.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:26:13
That's why I would argue those players would be as fit if not fitter than today's players


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:35:56
That's why I would argue those players would be as fit if not fitter than today's players
I would suggest that in the Championship winning season under Macari we had the fittest players outside of the top division, possibly the fittest players we have ever had even with the latest fitness technology.

But in the main, most players back then were nowhere near as fit as they are now probably.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:37:48
I agree as years ago centre halfs & centre forwards were mainly big lumps


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: RobertT on Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:40:02
I would suggest that in the Championship winning season under Macari we had the fittest players outside of the top division, possibly the fittest players we have ever had even with the latest fitness technology.

But in the main, most players back then were nowhere near as fit as they are now probably.

Different types of fitness though - Macari built stamina.  Today they have more powerful speed - the game is a lot quicker in short spurts constantly.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:41:23
That was something Dennis Wise focusesd on during his short time here.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:45:20
‘Short time’  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:46:04
 :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:49:14
Different types of fitness though - Macari built stamina.  Today they have more powerful speed - the game is a lot quicker in short spurts constantly.
Probably so but the amount of games we won by being basically fitter with far more stamina than the opposition is what won us the league.

In comparison to the other clubs none of them could match our fitness levels late in games, we scored a lot of goals form the 70th minute onwards when the opposition were struggling.

Also only having 1 sub named and used probably highlighted our fitness too as teams couldnt bring on subs for 3 or more struggling players later in games as they can now.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:53:58
Kammy used to run a lot!

My joint favourite player of all time.

Peorstmouth


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:57:39
We weren’t high scorers that season but I don’t remember many moaning about racking up the 1-0s


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: tj2002 on Friday, November 19, 2021, 14:20:49
That's why I would argue those players would be as fit if not fitter than today's players

Keeping the to the 80% bollocks on here today  :D


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, November 19, 2021, 14:22:28
Can't beat them join them  :pint:


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, November 19, 2021, 14:25:44
My joint favourite player of all time.

Peorstmouth

I can remember being in the pub with Sid Sellers and friends after the Sunderland play off final in 1990 and Kammy walked in. The place erupted!


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: WEBBERhyde on Friday, November 19, 2021, 15:45:11
The stats are skewed by the facts?

Depends what the facts are though. Classic example of a stat not really telling us much, relative to the point made (implication that we don’t shoot when maybe we should).

All we get from that stat is that on average, our shots are taken further away than other teams. What we’d really want to see is how many shots we take relative to everyone else and the distribution of those shots by distance. My hunch would be that although our average distance is higher, the volume of shots is about the same/lower than most teams, meaning that a higher proportion of shots are taken from distance than closer to goal /in the “danger zone” where statistically you’re more likely to score.

Obviously it’s not hampered us too much so far with the likes of Gladwin,Williams and Reed capable from distance.

That stat in isolation doesn’t prove that we are any more or less shoot on sight than any other team though.

Sorry to get boring on everyone for a moment.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 09:56:31
I can remember being in the pub with Sid Sellers and friends after the Sunderland play off final in 1990 and Kammy walked in. The place erupted!
Funny enough I was speaking to Sid only last week about Town stuff, hes a good lad.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 13:01:22
Funny enough I was speaking to Sid only last week about Town stuff, hes a good lad.

He's a really nice guy JJ isnhe still Roofing


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 13:07:36
He's a really nice guy JJ isnhe still Roofing
Yes mate he is, worked with him back in 82, seems a whole lifetime ago now. at 16 he was the first (mostly) Pompey fan I ever met!


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 13:08:45
He's doing well to sustain Roofing at our age! Dukey knows him as well😀


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: A Gent Orange on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 13:22:35
Depends what the facts are though. Classic example of a stat not really telling us much, relative to the point made (implication that we don’t shoot when maybe we should).

All we get from that stat is that on average, our shots are taken further away than other teams. What we’d really want to see is how many shots we take relative to everyone else and the distribution of those shots by distance. My hunch would be that although our average distance is higher, the volume of shots is about the same/lower than most teams, meaning that a higher proportion of shots are taken from distance than closer to goal /in the “danger zone” where statistically you’re more likely to score.

Obviously it’s not hampered us too much so far with the likes of Gladwin,Williams and Reed capable from distance.

That stat in isolation doesn’t prove that we are any more or less shoot on sight than any other team though.

Sorry to get boring on everyone for a moment.

All excellent points, type, location and game state also massively important. For example, counter attacking finishes 1v1 against the ‘keeper are frequently better chance than closer in shots through a host of bodies. Headers also. A six-yard header is a decent chance but 10, 12? You might as well give up. Similarly was it a desperation effort when a team is 3-0 down in the 90th minute? Was it central or from the corner flag? Did a couple of 30 yarders distort the data? Could easily happen.

It is good to see that most people are being careful with this kind of aggregate data but you are right to remind people of its limitations as well as its uses.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: chalkies shorts on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 13:30:55
Depends what the facts are though. Classic example of a stat not really telling us much, relative to the point made (implication that we don’t shoot when maybe we should).

All we get from that stat is that on average, our shots are taken further away than other teams. What we’d really want to see is how many shots we take relative to everyone else and the distribution of those shots by distance. My hunch would be that although our average distance is higher, the volume of shots is about the same/lower than most teams, meaning that a higher proportion of shots are taken from distance than closer to goal /in the “danger zone” where statistically you’re more likely to score.

Obviously it’s not hampered us too much so far with the likes of Gladwin,Williams and Reed capable from distance.

That stat in isolation doesn’t prove that we are any more or less shoot on sight than any other team though.

Sorry to get boring on everyone for a moment.
Boring cunt


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: WEBBERhyde on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 21:49:35
Boring cunt

 :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 22:18:26
He's doing well to sustain Roofing at our age! Dukey knows him as well😀

Cracking lad.
Gave up playing Pool a few years back :(


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, December 2, 2021, 19:16:55
League Two Passing Accuracy (Minimum Ten Starts):

one L. Reed - 86.8%
two D. Conroy - 86.6%
three R. Hunt - 85.6%
four A. Odimayo - 85.6%
five N. Featherstone - 85%


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: RWB Robin on Friday, December 3, 2021, 09:54:03
Very interesting statistics, given how much flak Odimayo in particular, but all our players get during matches for inaccurate [email protected]


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Crackity Jones on Friday, December 3, 2021, 10:20:41
I suspect the stats are heavily skewed by passing short distance s across the back to each other when under no pressure. I think they are likely a good reflection on our style of play.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 3, 2021, 10:30:42
Very interesting statistics, given how much flak Odimayo in particular, but all our players get during matches for inaccurate [email protected]
Mayos short passing has been excellent, his long passing far less so, when it works its brilliant but its still very hit and miss for distances, similar with Conroy too who often tries a few more of the "Hollywood passes" which if you count just those long passes then the figures will be massively different.



Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, December 4, 2021, 11:17:11
I see that Louis Reed has completed 1,101 passes which is 131 passes more than the next player in the L2 list.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 17, 2022, 15:47:22
Wow! Would never have thought that.



Title: Re: Stats
Post by: AMayesIng on Monday, January 17, 2022, 20:17:32
Thats amazing Aud! Although I've just checked, and make it 199, so they are including PO games maybe? (or my maths is shite) Being yo yo and in POs must have helped, and the 29 wins in 2011/12 was a good start to that particular period that they've chosen. Either way, should cheer us all up. We've seen more wins than pretty much anyone in last 10 years (exclude the obvious PL glory boys and we're one of only 4 proper clubs in the list!)


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 19, 2022, 16:45:41
👶 Youngest players to reach 10+ goal involvements in England's top four-tiers this season:

🥇 Tyreece Simpson (19yrs)
🥈 Bukayo Saka (20)
🥉 Brennan Johnson (20)