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Title: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 08:36:23
Don’t know if many are interested, but there is a whole host of stats available nowadays so I thought I’d post a few here.

Ben Garner’s @Official_STFC boast the highest average possession (57.9%) in @SkyBetLeagueTwo as well as the best pass completion rate (80.9%).

Meanwhile, the Robins have won the fewest aerial duels per game (15) in the fourth tier #STFC

Entrances into opponent's box (LG2: 2021/22) 📥⤵️

85 - Mansfield
78 - Salford
77 - Bradford
71 - Forest Green
69 - Rochdale
57 - Carlisle
56 - Port Vale
56 - Walsall
53 - Swindon
53 - Barrow

Here’s a surprising one

League Two 2021/22 Passes Completed:

1. Dion Conroy - 257
2. Jason Lowe - 249
3. Aaron Morley - 226
4. Stephen McLaughlin - 217
5. Matty Lund - 212



Title: Re: Stats
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 08:41:56
Statto, Statto, Statto.....


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 08:43:14
Statto, Statto, Statto.....


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 08:44:01
I don't like that Mansfield stat  >:(
Then again they have played Bristol 'wooden spoon' Rovers already.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 08:53:30
I don't like that Mansfield stat  >:(
Then again they have played Bristol 'wooden spoon' Rovers already.

Had a bit of bants with a gas head at the depot yesterday. I told him that Barton should stop hitting his missus and get their forwards hitting the net instead otherwise they’ll be National League next season. He did say they were in for a torrid time but was confident they’d finish above the drop but below half way. On current form they’re going down but I think he’s right. I also told how we laughed at their walk fest over the PPP and TBF he said that was a fair summary of how he saw it but thought there were better options for them to get in but didn’t elaborate who. In any case I didn’t have that much time to gas with the gas so left it there, he is a decent level headed young chap though and nowhere near a thug.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 09:46:37
Be interesting to see the breakdown of how Mansfield enter the opposition box - particular as we’ve won the fewest aerial duals.

If they are pumping it in high - either centrally or from outwide they could cause us problems.

However, I’m guessing the ‘aerial duals’ stat is a number rather than a percentage? So potentially we aren’t winning aerial duals because we are having so much possession.

Infact - just because we’ve won the fewest aerial duals in total doesn’t even mean we have a poor percentage of winning those aerial duals...


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 09:53:23
Just spotted a name change  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: bamboohoomyavatar on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 10:31:31
The Conroy stat isn't really so surprising Aud, when Town tend to play the ball out from the back regularly.

Just from that it hints toward the player/s is/are playing to some form of coherent instruction or for better words "game plan"; unlike last season when Johnny Alcoholic took the reins.

Town's CBs should have a high pass completion rate (if good at passing) compared to teams that play hoofball obviously. It also might nod towards the Town defence allowing teams to create more chances though. Thankfully at present those attacks are not resulting in many goals conceded - so by design, Conroy and any other defenders are having more opportunities to pass the ball.

It would be interesting to know Towns number of goal kicks to date too. It should correlate fairly nicely with the Conroy passing stat.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 11:09:10
Entrances into opponent's box  :girlgiggle: :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Moss on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 11:41:51
Entrances into opponent's box  :girlgiggle: :girlgiggle:

Reminds me of the Brian Moore commentary classic "and Seaman's dribbling out of the box"   :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 11:49:00
Reminds me of the Brian Moore commentary classic "and Seaman's dribbling out of the box"   :girlgiggle:
I like the old cricket classic, the bowlers Holding the batsmans Willey.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 11:56:00
.

https://youtu.be/9VCJVZ2I9zY


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 30, 2021, 06:48:18
Top of the tippy tappy table!

10+ pass sequences from open play (LG2: 2021/22) 🔥

45 - Swindon
37 - Tranmere
36 - Forest Green
35 - Stevenage
33 - Salford
31 - Rochdale
24 - Leyton Orient
21 - Mansfield
20 - Walsall
19 - Colchester
17 - Oldham
17 - Bristol R

Dion Conroy stays top of the completed passes table, too.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, August 30, 2021, 10:10:31
This can be used to passing and possession equally.

(https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-possession-means-nothing-when-the-opponent-takes-its-chances-franz-beckenbauer-70-54-21.jpg)

Luckily in L2 they don't have the finishing quality of the players in L1 or it could be a different story as they tend to punish mistakes far more often, long may it continue.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 30, 2021, 10:16:04
Ain’t that the truth. Wonder how we’d get on in L1 playing as we do.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, August 30, 2021, 10:25:33
Ain’t that the truth. Wonder how we’d get on in L1 playing as we do.
TBH I think every team we have played so far in L2 barring Scunthorpe who were dreadful, should probably have scored at least 2 goals witht he chances created.

We seem to be putting away most of the clear cut chances we have created so though, last season we created a similar number of chances per game but almost every time the opposition had a shot it went in or every mistake we made was capitalized upon too.

I think thats THE main difference between teams in L1 and L2, which is why a team with a good 20+ goal scorer in their team will almost always be challenging near the top of L2, not that every team who finish top or near the top will have one of those players but fringe sides who do have one will have a good season (Cambridge with Mullins last year, Tranmere with Norwood before that etc) you could also argue that we wouldnt have won the league without Doyles goals.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Monday, August 30, 2021, 10:35:44
However, we did have an experienced right back.
 (RIP Reg)


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 30, 2021, 10:53:25
Strange how stats don’t tell anywhere near the right story



Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Nemo on Monday, August 30, 2021, 11:11:34
Strange how stats don’t tell anywhere near the right story

Alternative data sources don't really agree - https://twitter.com/xG_data/status/1431891875062030337

I'm generally more positive on xG than most on here, but I suspect at L2 level the data gathering is... not as comprehensive as it might be in the top tiers.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 30, 2021, 11:14:00
Here’s another one

Most carries* per 90 (LG2: 2021/22) 🤤⤵️

19 - Liam Feeney
18 - Alex Newby
18 - Harry McKirdy
18 - Charles Vernam
18 - Jack Payne
18 - Abraham Odoh
16 - Dylan Bahamboula
15 - Callum McManaman
15 - Kaine Kesler

(data @OptaAnalyst)


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: AMayesIng on Monday, August 30, 2021, 11:20:55
Interesting stuff; although football stats are a little more subjective than, say, cricket stats. And as some have said; they don't always tell the whole story. e.g. shots 'on' and 'target'; speculative soft shot easily gathered by keeper = Shot On target. Screamer hits the post with keeper well beaten = Shot Off Target. Also, who collates all this stuff? Assume someone somewhere must have the job of watching on video every minute of every game with a list of all the players?


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, August 30, 2021, 11:42:19
The only stats that matter are the ones that appear in the league table.

We seem to be most dangerous when we turn over possession and do short sharp passing moves to get into dangerous positions which make the passing stats a bit of red herring. All these passes from Conroy and 10 plus passing moves are invariably sideways and backwards inside our own half until invariably we end up boxed in and effectively have to just get rid. I get why we do it to try and get control of the game but in an attacking sense it’s achieving very little and a lot of the passing just seems to be passing for the sake of it and taking unnecessary risks at the back.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 30, 2021, 12:22:03
is Callum McManaman son of/related to Steve?


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, August 30, 2021, 12:48:43
is Callum McManaman son of/related to Steve?

Distant but apparently not even met.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: tans on Monday, August 30, 2021, 12:49:03
Distant relative


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, August 30, 2021, 12:50:39
is Callum McManaman son of/related to Steve?
Nope, not close.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 30, 2021, 13:52:10
ah ok


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, September 1, 2021, 13:04:23
Interesting to see the stats on a monthly basis as the season goes on, per match doesn't tell a story but I'm sure over a month we may see some sort of pattern emerging


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 6, 2021, 12:40:45
Chances created (LG2: 2021/22) 🪄⤵️

42 - Rochdale
41 - Bradford
37 - Leyton Orient
35 - Salford
34 - Mansfield
33 - Swindon
33 - Harrogate
32 - Forest Green
32 - Northampton
30 - Bristol Rovers
27 - Oldham
26 - Exeter

Most chances created (LG2: 2021/22) 🧙‍♂️👇

12 - Stephen McLaughlin
10 - Callum Cooke
9 - Aaron Morley
9 - Andy Cook
9 - Theo Archibald
9 - Jack Payne
8 - Sam Hoskins
8 - George Thomson
8 - Josh Morris
7 - Charles Vernam


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, September 6, 2021, 12:47:17
As somebody else mentioned already, 'chance' is ambiguous.

It might mean having only the keeper to beat in the box or a speculative shot from distance. Seeing how many 'chances' other teams have against us may also add some perspective.

Don't get me wrong, I think we need more urgency, but I don't think stats tell the whole story.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 14:39:40
The complete, and I mean complete, stats for the Stevenage game. What a resource.


https://eflanalysis.com/analysis/the-efl-stats-gallery-league-two-stevenage-vs-swindon-town


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 15:22:01
The complete, and I mean complete, stats for the Stevenage game. What a resource.


https://eflanalysis.com/analysis/the-efl-stats-gallery-league-two-stevenage-vs-swindon-town

I am a sucker for stats. Thanks for this!


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 18:48:26
The complete, and I mean complete, stats for the Stevenage game. What a resource.


https://eflanalysis.com/analysis/the-efl-stats-gallery-league-two-stevenage-vs-swindon-town

Thanks - this is great

Theres been alot moaning about Gladwin which I thought was harsh as he's a unique type of player.  The stats clearly highlight what he is good at, particularly in terms of passes into the box and chances created.   He takes risks and messes up occasionally but need to balance that against the successes.


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 18:51:29
The complete, and I mean complete, stats for the Stevenage game. What a resource.


https://eflanalysis.com/analysis/the-efl-stats-gallery-league-two-stevenage-vs-swindon-town

Amazing information thanks for sharing


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 19:51:08
there are lies damned lies and statistics


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: AMayesIng on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 21:40:18
That's an insane amount of info. Fascinating stuff though. Anyone care to translate 'Expected Threat' and 'Smart Passes'? Is there a chart for how many times the 'Get in FORWAAAARD' guy shouts 'Get it FORWAAAARD' per game. xGiF?


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 12:21:22
Here lies the problem

Entrances into the opponent's box (LG2: 2021/22) 📥

134 - Mansfield
125 - Rochdale
108 - Salford
107 - Bradford
100- Exeter
100 - Port Vale
99 - Forest Green
99 - Carlisle
95 - Leyton Orient
94 - Tranmere
93 - Swindon
93 - Barrow


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 12:30:39
Entrances into the opponent's box

Manchester Road...300 per night!


Title: Re: Stats
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 13:59:06
Manchester Road...300 per night!
Jesus Christ, JJ! That’d be for a month, shirley!